I recently tore part of the weld an in the direction that would have been from putting it up into the riding position. I have used them on several bikes and I had one directly mounted to the kickstand plate on my Saga. On my last tour I noticed some fender rub that I have never had before. When I got home I discovered the worse, it had pulled a small amount of the plate off the frame, which appears to have torn the weld off the frame. I'm unsure if it did any permanent structural damage but I will probably replace a frame I loved. My excuse to get a new Rivendell touring frame soon. I personally will never use another double again, it's just not worth the risk.
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