Yes, the thing everyone seems to be missing outside "Hillborne with greater 
clearances" is "Hillborne with longer chainstays." Those two sum up Joe A. 
for me. 

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 9:46:30 AM UTC-7, Matt R wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Just wondering if anyone has insider knowledge about the Joe Appaloosa 
> geometry? The last Riv email described it as a cross between a Hunq and 
> Atlantis, which sounds like my dream bike, but the recent Web Special 
> proto-Appaloosas appeared to be geometrically identical to Sam H, the only 
> obvious differences being larger tire clearances and canti posts. If it's 
> truly somewhere between Hunq and Atlantis, I'm gonna start saving my 
> pennies now. Any insights would be greatly appreciated, sounds like it will 
> be a wonderful bike!
>
> Cheers,
> Matt in Tucson
>

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