Haha. Bill you should be paid by rivendell and my wife should put a hit on 
you. i think if there was a frame presale around 1200 now, i would not be 
able to say no to that. later, if frames are being sold and i could 
save/strategize, i'd go to 1600$ no problem. right now, dropping 2400$ 
right before the holidays and then waiting months to strip the bike/sell 
off the parts/move over other parts/sell the sam hillborne etc.... there 
are just a few too many barriers to make it a worthwhile endeavor, when i 
dont need another bike. 

im just saying, if a frame option was out there, my impulse buying tendency 
would not resist. 

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