This post made me go to the group web site to read the original post. Now that I have done, I must ask: why are we wasting time on this idiotic raving? The guy is an ignorant idiot. It's not even a new posting - he copyrighted it 5 years ago, and I'm almost certain we've discussed it before, if not here then on the IBOB list. What belongs in the garbage pail is this web posting, not the bike he's raving against.

On 01/15/2016 01:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Which pedals? He mocked two different ones. He said MKS Sneaker pedals suck. He said Powergrips on pedals suck. He said toe clips suck, and he said Shimano 600 pedals with toe clips are the worst pedals ever to ride without cleated shoes. Which ones are you agreeing with?

I'll submit that I would prefer to use Shimano 600s without cleated shoes over these pedals without cleated shoes: SPDs suck with non-cycling shoes <https://www.google.com/express/u/0/productlanding/17699918216349909867_10437235700843631592_1209243?mall=EastBay&gclid=CJT__4C_rMoCFQVbfgodr-sG1A#/>

Being a bad pedal with Vans doesn't make it a universally bad pedal.

The guy says at the beginning that his entire post spews hatred. If anybody prefaces a commentary with "I'm about to spew a bunch of hatred", then I know not to take any of it seriously. The opposite is probably closer to the truth, when so-prefaced.

On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 10:43:08 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

    My exact response as well ... I originally thought it was a
    goof... but then serious? I do agree about the pedals though.



    On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 7:16:53 AM UTC-8, LeahFoy wrote:

        Truly, until the end of the post, I thought this was a spoof.
        How can anyone look at that Riv and think "garbage"? He ends
        with a garish image of that revolting Giant (ok, that is
        harsh, but you know my feelings about Giant these days, see
        kid bike thread) and celebrates it's superiority over that
        other useful and comfortable bike and beautiful bike.  I was
        laughing at that point, but stopped when I realized he was
        serious. Oh well, it takes all kinds, I suppose.

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