"For reference, the factory supplied Phil Wood pawl lube is a mix of something around 9 parts tenacious oil to 1 part phil grease."'
Phil's Tenacious is quite thick even in moderate temps. No wonder it's problematic under your temp conditions. Throw in some grease for stickiness & voila, sticking pawls. I've used Phil's Tenacious in freehubs & have one with over 50,000 miles on it that still works fine. I never guessed one could last so long & just wondering how long it will go. dougP On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 7:16:54 AM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: > > Agreed re: TriFlow as a winter-only oil. It's been in there a couple weeks > now and the hub has never ran so nicely. I'll open it up later this week > and see how things are looking inside. > > The 10w-40 oil was something I started using in the fall, so it was too > heavy even in near-freezing temperatures. Pretty surprising how sensitive > this freehub is to viscosity. A lower synthetic oil is a good idea though. > > For reference, the factory supplied Phil Wood pawl lube is a mix of > something around 9 parts tenacious oil to 1 part phil grease. > > On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 8:40:54 AM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote: >> >> I was wondering if a 50/50 split of 5w30 motor oil and Automatic >> Transmission fluid would do it? >> >> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 8:54:17 PM UTC-5, Bill M. wrote: >>> >>> At temperatures that low, the pour point of the lubricant would start to >>> matter. Phil Tenacious Oil is probably molasses at -40. I can't find >>> detailed specs for Tri Flow, but the MSDS says its flash point is pretty >>> low (170 degrees), indicating a fair portion of it is pretty light oil so >>> it probably does flow at a low temperature. Sewing machine oils or >>> 3-in-One would perform similarly. >>> >>> I'm not a huge fan of using motor oil outside of engines, but you could >>> go to a 0W-20 synthetic motor oil to get a very low pour point. Synthetic >>> oils have an inherently high viscosity index, which means they don't change >>> viscosity with temperature as much as mineral oils. That same property >>> would help maintain lubrication film strength when the weather warms up. >>> >>> If you stick with Tri Flow, consider using it as a winter-only oil, and >>> relubricating with something a bit heavier for the warm months. No sense >>> wearing out an expensive hub prematurely. >>> >>> Bill >>> Stockton, CA >>> >>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:05:09 PM UTC-8, Mark Reimer wrote: >>>> >>>> Good question! I did a quick Google and it seems they have their own >>>> brand of 'all season' oil, but I didn't find anything else. >>>> >>>> I've tried Phil pawl lube, tenacious oil, 10w40 motor oil, various >>>> chain lubes, etc. Triflow is the only thing I've found to work >>>> consistently >>>> below -10C. Even -5C was getting my 10w40 lube sticking a bit, which I >>>> found surprising. >>>> >>>> Strangely enough, my older 3-pawl phil wood road hub has never skipped >>>> in any temperatures, ever. But this new and 'improved' 4-pawl design Phil >>>> came out with a year or two ago has been brutal. This is my third freehub >>>> and my first time since getting the Atlantis that I've been able to ride >>>> in >>>> the cold without it skipping. >>>> >>>> I got the minimal and ultra light lube idea from some riders up in >>>> Alaska who used a few drops of Singer sewing machine oil. It's pretty >>>> similar to TriFlow. TriFlow is supposed to be good to -60C. I've had the >>>> 'pleasure' of trying it down to -40C and it's been working well. >>>> >>>> A friend of mine just bought a Rohloff, I'll ask him about its low temp >>>> performance. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 2:50:47 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What lube is used in Rohloff hubs? That would seem to be a tricky >>>>> problem, given all the whirling bits. And the Germans deal with real >>>>> winter. Maybe ATF? >>>>> >>>>> dougP >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:18:04 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Amazing how our mitochondria adapt to the seasons so swiftly, helping >>>>>> us generate heat more than go in the winter and go more than heat in the >>>>>> winter. perhaps poor Phil's pawls need a mitochondria lube? Grin. >>>>>> >>>>>> Love your pictures as always! >>>>>> >>>>>> With abandon, >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 12:37:51 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After sitting in the deep freeze so long, my body is all out of wack >>>>>>> and was feeling quite happy to ride for a few hours in nothing but a >>>>>>> wool >>>>>>> jersey and jeans. It's funny, because come October I would be freezing >>>>>>> cold >>>>>>> in warmer temperatures with more clothes! >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
