you wouldn't believe in my neck of the woods that a lot of these  these 
cyclists are often wearing dark clothing with hoodies...not helmets...it's 
totally scary

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 4:15:28 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
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> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Metin Uz <[email protected] <javascript:>
> > wrote:
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>> I rode behind a guy in the dark the other day and my first thought was 
>>> "no lights? That's silly."
>>> My second thought was "those pedal reflectors are really visible."
>>>
>>>
>> There is your answer. Guys without lights have pedal reflectors. 
>> Randonneurs have ankle bands (and lights). Which do you think is more 
>> effective?
>>
>
> I appreciate the irony in your valid observation ("guys without lights 
> have pedal reflectors"), but I don't think that means it was a conscious 
> decision. 
>
> I see lots of people riding lousy, box-store bikes for daily 
> transportation.  Those riders rarely have lights (or accessories) beyond 
> what was on the bike at the time of purchase.  And almost every one of 
> those box-store bikes has cheap resin pedals with built-in reflectors, as 
> well as front and rear reflectors.  The front and rear are easy to remove 
> for someone inclined, but few of these riders will swap out the pedals.
>
> The big advantage of pedal reflectors and ankle bands is the movement.  
> The up-and-down movement pattern makes it very easy for the observer to 
> identify that it's a bicycle.  
>
>
>
>> On a serious note, pedal reflectors aren't bad, but ankle bands have much 
>> larger area and can be seen from any angle.
>>
>> And you're correct that an ankle band offers 360-degree visibility, 
> whereas pedal reflectors are only visible from the front and rear.
>
> Spoke reflectors also have a pretty unmistakable movement signature.
>
> Personally, I believe that lights, reflectors (especially moving ones), a 
> helmet, and a mirror work together to improve my chances of being seen, 
> avoiding collisions, and surviving a collision should one happen.
>  
>

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