I truly and not patronizingly accept and celebrate all the different points of view. It's what you do with them. Non-believers can be mean or nice, same as believers. Variety is good! (And, my own opinions have changed over the years, too.) This is a terrific group. I don't frequents lists, but I can't imagine there's a better-kinder-and better-facilitated (thanks, Jim) one than this. G
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Tim Butterfield <timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 8:29 PM, 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch < > rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> I cannot fathom anyone disagreeing with any part of that. Those are not >> Republican or Democratic beliefs in my mind, just good human ones. >> > > You may only be looking at the summary of the items and not all of the > detail within them. Or, you might agree with all of it. Choice is great. > :) Taken as a whole, it is mostly agreeable, but I cannot accept the > whole of it when I look at the details. > > The list also includes a religious belief, the religion of the > infallibility of science instead of the Bible. I don't believe in the > evolution of humans or of systems in general and the single cell is a very > complex system. The bicycle is a system. Even something basic like a seat > can have rails, suspension, post, etc. If you have just a seat, is that a > bicycle? Of course not. Even if you add just the two wheels to that seat, > it is still not a bicycle. The bicycle is a relatively simple system made > up of many interacting components. Leave some out and it's not a bicycle. > I feel the same way about the cell, which has DNA, RNA, protein motor > processing, cell walls which know to let some things through but not > others. How would DNA have developed without the protein motor to process > it or without the cell wall to protect it? My disbelief in evolution goes > further back than that. What went bang and why did it go bang then and not > a trillion infinities before then? If there were some cyclical process, > some stars having escape velocity would have reduced mass sufficiently over > the infinity of time that it would eventually end up back where we > started? What went bang and why then? > > I do believe in the Bible including the account of creation, but not in > the 24 hour day interpretation that is often heard. If you heard someone > start a sentence with "In my father's day, ...", would you assume there was > only one? Of course not. To me, and in the Bible, the term day can refer > to an unspecified period of time, not just to a 24 hour period. To think > of it another way, before the luminaries were created and the planet earth, > how was a 'day' defined? A day, in the 24 hour definition, is only > applicable after our sun and earth were used to define them. Any way, I do > believe in a common ancestry and that all of humanity are related. I also > think it is great the variety of people there are. We love variety in food > and flowers. Variety in people is great also. > > I also believe in the freedom of choice, though I do not always agree with > what everyone does with that freedom. There are nits I can pick with many > of these items. For example, how about if instead of learning books, we > learned things about the environment right outside our door? I would > assert learning about the plants and animals around us is of more value > than books, picture or otherwise. It's not that these don't have their > place. Of course they do. But, I'm not sure it safe to say that by doing > X of the one, we can ignore the other, or about what the best ratio of > learning about such variety is or how that best accomplished. Much of that > may depend on the child and how they best learn things. As other items > mention, one size does not fit all. > > I do not want to debate this, but wanted to offer an explanation of why I > did not agree with 100% of it. It's one of the freedoms I enjoy, the > freedom to not agree with everything. I do agree with much, though there > are are some nits throughout I would pick at, some of which are mentioned > here. Sorry, Grant. > > Tim > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > topic/rbw-owners-bunch/T5L6rUDMgdU/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
