Thanks Jon. Have wool Buff, no work at 10˚ to minus 20˚F, which is a whole 
different level of cold vs warmer than 10˚F (where I don't need more than 
my beard. Grin.).

Lum Gim Fong, any randonneur groups are in the lowlands rather than the 
highlands, so they generally don't ride on "those" days. I'm kinda stupid 
that way. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 11:27:44 AM UTC-7, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> The key to using a buff is pull it down when going slow and breathing hard 
> (e.g. uphills).  that keeps it dryer of course.  If it's super cold 
> (teens), it will freeze dry to a certain extent too.
>
> the beauty of the buff is that you can always rotate it if one spot 
> becomes too damp to breathe through.  The wool one is extra long, so sort 
> of overlap it to get more warmth.
>
> I've got a regular one and wool one, and use them for all my winter 
> riding.  The wool one is for the coldest days.  I commute 40 minutes each 
> way year around in Baltimore with temps sometime down into the teens, and 
> have ridden in single digits using the buff.
>
>
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:31:18 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Jon. Yeah, the problems I have with Buff buffs is they don't 
>> block wind and they get very damp and then freeze and then I have to choose 
>> between breathing and it now being an effective wind block fabric ice 
>> barrier. Grin.
>>
>> Hey lum gim fong, I'm not smart enough to A) realize that cold weather 
>> isn't a fantastic blast of fun and delight and thus B) move to Florida. 
>> Grin. Though from some of the winter driving I've seen, a number of folks 
>> have come here and brought their warmer climbs with them in their cars. 
>> It's easy to tell which drivers to avoid: wearing a t-shirt clutching the 
>> wheel for dear life. The drivers with an arm over the back of the seat and 
>> a lazy hand on the wheel -- they know what their doing -- and they know 
>> that modern vehicles don't matter for much. Grin.
>>
>> Derailure: Nah. In the extreme cold everything works great. Snow is 
>> powder, and stays out the drivetrain. Mud is frozen solid and stays on the 
>> roads/trails. No issues with my light handed use of chainsaw oil on my 
>> chain. Where the derailure has challenges is in the wet sloppy ooze of 
>> snowy/wet 25˚-45˚F. That mess kicks up into the derailure, freezes, and you 
>> have a single speed. Which is generally fine because in that goop you can't 
>> shift above low gear even going downhill in a tailwind. So it's a feature, 
>> not a bug. Sardonic grin.  
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 9:33:28 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you a blustery bonzo? (amalgamation of gonzo and bozo and perhaps 
>>> buffoon and more!) If so, what in the world have you found that at 
>>> temps/winds of 10˚F and below...: 
>>>
>>

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