And I, my back and neck, are most comfortable with mine well above the saddle. I can ride 70+ enjoyable and comfortable miles. 3 inches with noodles: https://flic.kr/p/QMCfXy 4-6 inches with albatross bars: https://flic.kr/p/FwKLsx and https://flic.kr/p/PQGs7R All the best, Erl
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