Thanks, Dave, for bringing a small measure of sanity to this discussion
recently gotten out of hand. I checked out the VO Sabots last month, to see
if they accept clips 'n' strap; and yes, they do -- a plus.

I've moved the Sabots once again to the top of the list, as able to take
clips/straps as well as Power Grips and clones.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 5:55 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Back to the subject....
>
> For touring I use Hold-Fast straps with VO Sabot pedals, which for
> purposes of this discussion are similar to the Thin Gripsters. The pedals
> are well made and have a large 100mm by 100mm platform, which when coupled
> with the large-size Hold-Fast straps accommodate my size 13 shoes which
> traditional clips and straps don't. My favorite shoes with this are Keen
> Commuter sandals but without clips installed.  With this combination my
> feet are well-supported on the wide platform and are nicely snugged in so
> that I feel connected but can disengage easily. The straps are robust
> enough that I can pull up on hills. The only downside is the same one toe
> clips have; when disengaged the strap is always under the pedal, and it
> take a little practice to be able to flip them up easily and get your foot
> in.
>
> By the way, the company that sells the Hold-Fast straps also sells nice
> canvas bags for a reasonable price.  Not saddlebag-bags, but 7" x 4.5" and
> another size a little larger.  I use the smaller size for storing travel
> chargers so I can just grab the bag when I'm leaving for a trip.
>
> Dave
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thems These And Those:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001
>>
>> (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it's
>> official.)
>>
>> https://holdfastordie.com/
>>
>> 1. Have any of youse used these and those?
>>
>> 2. How well do the Hold Fasts work?
>>
>> 3. How well do the Hold Fasts work compared to clips and straps?
>>
>> 4. How would Thin Gripsters plus Hold Fasts work in (a) securing your
>> feet to a pedal continually moving because it is attached to a fixed
>> drivetrain; (b) letting you pull back or at least up, occasionally under
>> high load, as on a steep hill at very slow speeds; and then, comparing (a)
>> and (b) to MKS GR-9 pedals, Christophe clips, nice straps, strap cushions
>> or pads or whatever, and Toe Clip Buttons? That is, if you've gotten lost
>> in my cluster of clauses: (i) which would let you do a and b better, (ii)
>> which would allow easier entry and exit (I'm a dab hand at toe clip entry
>> and exit with the GR-9s); and (iii) which would be more comfortable overall?
>>
>> Patrick "clustering clauses clumsily coalesce creating conceptual cloaca"
>> Moore
>>
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