Thanks all, especially Joe for the useful information; and John, thanks for
the photos -- nice little panniers!

 I may one day be interested in a folder that folds smaller than my Hon
Solo, one that I can put into a bag the size of a medium suitcase and carry
with me onto a bus or into a store or office; the HS folds down small
enough for my needs so far, but it is definitely too big to carry onto a
bus and awkard to carry into a store.

But the reports of the ride compared to 20" wheeled models, and also that I
see them only with close up, straight bars, makes me reluctant; I really
dislike straight bars -- they hurt my hands; and I my arms/hands/shoulders
get too much pressure with bar too close to saddle -- that additional 2"
extender for the M bar really makes my position more comfortable. I see
that you can put a drop bar or M bar on a Brompton, and I suppose you can
get extenders ...?

Also, what about tire width? I know B doesn't make a 20" model; can you put
fatter tires on it?  I can and sometimes do ride my HS with 32 mm Kojaks on
firm dirt and gravel, and in fact I'm thinking of buying 1.75s (~44 mm) for
it (it will fit these) for it ( so it will be a fixed gear, small wheel
mountain bike!). How fat a tire can the B take?

Jay: you say: "Compared to the Dahon, the Brompton is in another class." In
what way, exactly? I know it folds smaller, and it may be of better quality
(though the Hon Solo is decent: all chromo, with decent if not stellar
parts, some of which I've upgraded); but as to the handling quality and the
riding position?

I'm not trying to defend Dahon, which really would be better for me if it
could fold smaller; but for me, handling and riding position and fatter
tires are more important at this point; more so even than the capacity to
take some sort of large bag.

At any rate, after all this discussion, I now intend to forget about a rack
or bag for the HS, and simply use a courier bag.But I did fashion a neat
little bracket attaching to the seatstay braze-ons to hold a rear Topline
tail light just below the seatpost and just high enough to peek out over
the rear tire -- whoops, if I install 44s, I'll have to make a slightly
higher one; darn.


On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Jay in Tel Aviv <[email protected]> wrote:

>  I had a Dahon MuP8. I rode it across Holland and from NH to the Maine
> coast and many commuting as a backup and multimodal bike.
> The ride? It's nickname around my house was Tinkertoy. I think the long
> stem just made it feel ingerently unstable.
> I picked up a Brompton a few years ago, mostly for the fold. I really like
> the ride. I find I ride a little bit slower on it than my Sam. Something
> about the position I guess. It's definitely a different feel vs the Sam. I
> like it.
> Sorry not to be more precise. Compared to the Sam, it's different but no
> better or worse depending on my mood. Compared to the Dahon, the Brompton
> is in another class.
>
> Jay
>

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