Hi John,

I live in NJ and in the north.  It is not a stereotype, unfortunately.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 7:04 PM, John Hawrylak <john.hawry...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> I live in far southern NJ, very rural.  Although the northern people may
> be tougher, the driving up in the Newark area is not much differnet than in
> Philly or any major city.  I would be careful about too many stereotypes.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2017 at 10:46:23 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
>> Its New Jersey Alan.
>>
>> Home of the worst drivers.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:41 AM, alan lavine <ciga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> Are you referring to "River Road" that runs through Palisades Interstate
>>> Park?  We ride there all the time, and the riders heading south reach very
>>> fast speeds, because they can.  I said to my wife just the other day that
>>> when riding in the city, the other cyclists have become more dangerous than
>>> the cars. Especially in Jersey.  Especially when crossing the GW bridge.
>>> Its just nuts.
>>>
>>> Glad you are OK, but it'll be rough getting out of bed tomorrow.  My
>>> best..
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> NYC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 7:30:11 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, at 5:30 in the morning, I collided head-on with another
>>>> cyclist. I was on a path along the Hudson river on the Jersey side, and the
>>>> guy had no lights.  And I went over the bars.
>>>>
>>>>  Thankfully, I'm all right, but my Atlantis is pretty messed up,  and
>>>> I'd like to get the lists advice . The fork is badly bent, and my local
>>>> shop thinks that the Head tube maybe messed up. They're stripping  it down
>>>> and sending it to Bilenky to see if it can be realigned. Do any of you
>>>> think that's a bad move?
>>>>
>>>>  I don't want to think about how much worse it would've been if I had
>>>> been riding a carbon bike.  I'm pretty bummed. The worst part is that the
>>>> other guy swore at me and threw my water bottle at me while I was lying on
>>>> the ground.  Called me some names I won't repeat here, and rode off before
>>>> I was even able to get up.   Sometimes I really hate riding around here.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, be safe out there and hug your Rivendells tonight!
>>>>
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