Hi Patrick, I have the Zoic, Compass, and Riv MUSA knickers. Note: I wear them with regular underwear, wool or cotton, no cycling shorts/pads. I'm not a high mileage rider; commuting ~15miles round trip.
1. The Zoic is slightly heavier weight than Compass, but quite light. It feels different: more rubbery than Compass. Zoic is certainly more durable, as my Compass knickers are already pilling by the pockets and sides (disappointing). I think Zoic is slightly better wind protection, but only slightly. Riv MUSA is heaviest weight. I can and do use them to ~40F; MUSA is too hot ~55F for me. MUSA feels and is the most durable of the three. 2. My Zoic knickers have a cinch at the cuff. It's a hidden elastic shock cord with a plastic spring-stop toggle-cord lock to set the amount of cinch. (Same as Compass.) The bottom hem is nice and stretchy (a feature of the material), as compared to Compass which does not have the same "give". 3. Zoic feels really nice to me when riding. There is a draw-string-like feature to pull hold them up w/o belt. The rear pocket stitching closest to the midline became undone. (I'm guessing from abrasion with the saddle.) Those areas will need to-be restitched if I want to put anything in my rear pockets. Note: I don't ride with anything in my rear pockets. I've worn the Zoic knickers for several years, and they are in very nice condition, other than the rear pocket stitches near where the saddle contacts. The Zoics have cargo pant-like pockets on the mid thighs which add a little bulk (pocket flap, velcro, zipper, small plastic key-chain hook). Since I don't use those pockets, I would remove them if I were to redesign them. Overall: I'm happy with the Zoic and Riv MUSA. They serve different purposes for me, which I only recognized after purchasing and wearing them. (Riv MUSA is great at campsites, cooler weather, working in the yard.) I really liked the Compass (fit, style, features, hand), but as I've only worn them for a few months (with infrequent washing) and am experiencing pilling on the fabric, I'm disappointed. (Price/performance mismatch.) Good luck! Shoji Arlington MA On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 2:04:43 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Speaking of winter clothing, I'll repeat this request I posted to the > boblist, in case others here have information. > > I'm looking at the Zoic cycling knickers: > https://tinyurl.com/Zoic-Reign-at-BackCountry > > At this point, I'm interested only in these Zoics, though there are weird > (to US eyes) websites from the UK offering moleskin plus 4s at reasonable > prices; but let's not go there. > > Has anyone actually used these? They ring my bells because they seem long > enough (19"), have zip fly and belt loops and rear pockets, and are cut > loose, and come in roadie approved black. But I wonder: > > 1. How heavy is the material? I ruled out Compass because theirs sound too > thin. > > 2. These seem not to have a cinch at the cuff; do I see rightly? I can > always add a bit of velcro. > > 3. Wear: do they wear well in seat and knee? > > Thanks. > > Patrick Moore, going to ride the Hon Solo shortly, God willing, in coldish > ABQ, NM > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
