Seems to me Dave all you are saying is that you experienced the fallacy of all the assumptions you bought into being "true". As you can see, truth is not relative to anyone or anything, truth is truth, Absolute, absolutely. Any idea to contrary the Absolute could only confirm the Absolute. It's like claiming "I am not". So it's not the fault of the frames, or the bars, or the stems, or even you..... there is no fault at all in truth ☺
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