*planing* ???  8-0 

... although I do seriously wonder whether the relatively longer chainstays 
contribute to frame flex in a way that effectively compensates for the 
relatively heavier gauge tubing ... 


On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:53:15 PM UTC-4, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> I can’t decide what I think of the long chain stays. I get used to riding 
> my Joe carrying a heavy load and forget that without a lot of weight it 
> feels as fast as my Sam. The long chain stays do change the ride feel. I 
> like Grant’s description but the image that I always arrive at is a motor 
> boat. It kinda floats like on water but still responds quickly. I don’t 
> have that feeling on the Sam. Some of the differences could be the build 
> which has a heavy rack, burly wheels, etc. The bike fits on my car rack and 
> the Portland Bus rack. 
>
> The new Atlantis looks great but I also fail to see much difference 
> between that Joe and Atlantis, unless the Atlantis is made for drop bars. 
> Perhaps the Joe is more of the Hunqapilar now. 

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