I havent really thought about budget, but if was something that lasts a 
while, i would probably be willing to pay for it. 

For the phone apps, you use them without wifi/internet, but you download 
certain maps, is that correct?  how much planning ahead does that take? or 
i guess how much area do the maps cover? part of the reason i'm interested 
in something like this is for the ability to, on a whim, see where weird 
roads and trails go (and how high they go) without getting totally lost. 

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