Agreed, not "bad" but I would rather support RBW or Jitensha than a larger
and less personal company, all things being equal...

Doug


On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>wrote:

> You're thinking of Merry Sales <http://merrysales.com/>, which is a
> (smaller??) competitor of QBP.  Similar to J & B which is another
> distributer (they do Origin 8 bikes/parts).  Doesn't automatically make 'em
> bad folks to work with.  Surly for example puts out some pretty innovative
> bikes, same for Salsa.  Much rather have one than a Special-Ek.
>
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Doug Van Cleve <dvancl...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That may be, but isn't Soma owned by one of the big distributors, like
>> Surly is by QBP?  That is what I was referring to, and "large" is relative
>> ;^)
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>> thill....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There aren't many big corporations in the bike biz. I seriously doubt
>>> Soma has more than a dozen full-time employees. I believe the frames
>>> are made in the same Taiwanese factory that makes the BF/YG.
>>>
>>> On Mar 21, 6:00 pm, Doug Van Cleve <dvancl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > A few thoughts:  YG or Ebisu = supporting the little guy, Soma = large
>>> > faceless corporation pretending to be counterculture.  Single TT a la
>>> > Herse/Singer is absolutely stiffer, that's why most craft built mixtes
>>> have
>>> > been that way.  YG and Ebisu are lugged, Soma is welded (right?).  As
>>> > already mentioned, anything other than drop bars makes it easy to deal
>>> with
>>> > a longer top tube.  Ebisu has cantis, debatably stronger than sidepulls
>>> and
>>> > easy enough to set up assuming modern ones.  Why is the YG $200 more
>>> than
>>> > the Betty Foy?  Other than being named after a female character, is
>>> there
>>> > anything more feminine about the BF than that YG?  For $200 less, I
>>> think I
>>> > like it better.  I personally would narrow it down to the RBW product
>>> or
>>> > Ebisu.  Money not an object, the Ebisu is the classiest.  Since they
>>> are at
>>> > least semi-custom, I wonder if you could get horizontal dropouts on one
>>> of
>>> > those?
>>> >
>>> > Regards, Doug
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Ray Shine <r.sh...@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Thank you, everyone ---
>>> >
>>> > > My handlebar choice will be (at the moment) either inverted Albatross
>>> or a
>>> > > set of Jitensha flat bars that I once had mounted on my Atlantis.
>>>  Those
>>> > > bars still have the Paul thumbies and the Paul levers on them, so
>>> that is
>>> > > the option I'm leaning to.
>>> >
>>> > > The other responses regarding tire width -- I'd like to do something
>>> > > between 35 and bigger.  Thanks for the link to the Soma 650B
>>> conversion.
>>> > > That looks interesting.  I do like the canti brakes of the Ebisu.  I
>>> like
>>> > > canti brakes.
>>> >
>>> > > The other neat thing about the Soma is the horizontal drop out.  I
>>> was
>>> > > giving serious consideration to trying out that new 9-speed IGH.
>>>  And, I
>>> > > really like the double top tube design. I wonder if it is as strong
>>> as the
>>> > > Riv and Ebisu designs.
>>> >
>>> > > As for the Riv's.  Yes, I am a Riv fan (I own three Riv's already)
>>> but the
>>> > > Gomez just doesn't catch my eye, frankly.  I could get by the goofy
>>> name and
>>> > > "International Man. . ." thing if other aspects came together.  I
>>> like the
>>> > > intended use of the Gomez, and the way it could be set like a
>>> Hillborne, but
>>> > > I think it's the least stylish of the three bikes I mentioned.
>>> >
>>> > > Thank you also for the Velo Orange link.  That looks good as well, so
>>> maybe
>>> > > now it's a choice of four models.
>>> >
>>> > > Ray
>>>
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