On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 8:46:26 PM UTC-7, RonaTD wrote:
>
> On Sunday, March 31, 2019 at 8:21:48 PM UTC-7, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote: 
> > So what's the difference, other than lugs? I ask because I have an old 
> Rivendell that looks like yours, and I always thought it was an AR. 
>
> That’s a beautiful bike! 
>
> My recollection is that the original three models, Road, A/R, and D/M, 
> were modeled after the Bridgestone RB, XO, and MB models, respectively, in 
> terms of geometry and tubing selection. My D/M is definitely “stout”, has 
> very little BB drop, a lot of top tube rise, lots of tire clearance (though 
> I wish it had a bit more for fender clearance), high trail front end. And, 
> in stark contrast to the direction Grant has gone since those early days, 
> it has what Riv might now consider comically short chain stays. 
>
> One detail difference is that my D/M has vertical rear dropouts, while 
> most A/Rs I think used horizontals.


Ah! That last detail may establish the identity, since mine has horizontal 
rear dropouts (which is a pain when fendering the bike).

Thank you!

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