Thanks for sharing your experience Chad. Yes, I've been through a lot of 
Rivs mainly because my proportions seem out of the norm.

To be clear 54.5 when riding with shoes is no problem. I'm not a stickler 
about standover, especially on a road bike like this. With shoes if I tilt 
the bike even 85 degrees I get several centimeters of relief. When I told 
Riv I don't care about standover, they directed me toward a 53cm or a 
54.5cm AHH. I told them I wasn't going to go off-road and needed something 
to ride on pavement, which is how I settled on the AHH.

The main issue is that I don't have quite the time to ride as long as I 
used to, and have found myself doing shorter rides for exercise. Therefore, 
I would like to get my bars lower, but with the upslope I cannot get the 
bars where I want even with it down all the way.

It rides great, so I'll keep it if no trade comes up, but it's just kind of 
one of those things.

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:07:33 AM UTC-4, Chad wrote:
>
> Phil, 
>
> I also have an 80PBH and set my saddle at 68.5-70 depending on the pedals, 
> shoes, saddle, etc.  I’m curious, did RBW steer you towards the 54.5?  A 
> 54.5 with the upsloping top top tube seems awful big for a 80 PBH.   I had 
> a 51 Sam Hillborne that was almost the same in every dimension to the MIT 
> AHH with the exception of the chainstays and it fit me almost perfectly.  I 
> believe it had about 173mm headtube so it gave me a good range of 
> adjustability as far as stem height.  I could raise the bars up at least a 
> couple inches above the saddle or slam it to just below the saddle even 
> with a Tallux stem.  I also had a 53 Roadeo, a 52 Bombadil, and now a 52 
> Toyo-built AHH and 52 Clem H.  I absolutely love my AHH and I don’t feel as 
> stretched out or maxed out on standover, but it does require a lot of stem 
> just to get the bars to saddle height.  Looking at the old geo charts that 
> used to list stack height it looks like the old horizontal top tube 54 AHH 
> has an even shorter stack than the 51 Hillborne, so yeah an old 54 AHH 
> would probably get the stem lower where you want it, but I’m surprised you 
> thought the new 51 AHH was too small. I had to size down from a 9cm to 7cm 
> stem to get comfortable with Noodle bars on the 51.  How did the 51 
> Appaloosa feel?   Maybe I just have shorter arms.

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