I have a 51 cm Joe Appaloosa (2 3/4 years) and a 54.5 A Homer Hilsen (8 
months).  83 PBH and they both fit me great.  

Joe is my in city love--wider tires, great ride.  I don't worry while 
riding in the poorly maintained potholed streets or hitting cracks in the 
MUP pavements.  I ride the A Home Hilsen mostly on paved paths, but that's 
because of the different locations each bike resides.   AHH is in the 
suburbs.   There is a bit more stand over room on the Joe A, so if they 
both lived at home and I were to ride in the city, that would be the one 
I'd pick--better for quick jump off's, too.

The Joe ride is plush and calming, but it can go fast.  The A Homer Hilsen 
is spritely and more spirited. And, much lighter.    I've ridden a Clem H 
and it's closer to the Joe A in ride feel, if you want to save some $$.

However, if I were to buy a bike today and if it would be primarily for 
"general around town city build", I'd look at a Cheviot.  With a Chev, 
you'd get a lighter bike than the Clem L, and the practical-ness of a step 
through.  If you like pretty, there's a Betty Foy on the board for sale, 
the forerunner of the Chev.

Here's the good news:  there are no bad decisions.  They are all great 
bikes.

Roberta



On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 9:58:33 AM UTC-5, Graham McCall wrote:
>
> I’m currently trying to decide what Riv to buy for a general around town 
> city build. Plan would be upright bars, front rack and dynamo build. 
>
> I’d like something that isn’t specifically designed around carrying a ton 
> of stuff. I’d prefer something fun to ride then be built to carry the 
> kitchen sink. 
>
> What frames have people built up this way that feel great? 
>
> I was thinking a Joe, Homer, etc. I also love the Clem, but haven’t ridden 
> any Riv. 
>
> Thanks!

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