Well thank you Craig for your input. Like riding on water ! I remember Bruce Lee saying "be like water" .... of which there is neither offense or defense as such is Life !
I find it a relief realizing this about the frames. To start there with a frame suited to one's own sensibilities of what riding is all about. The Truth is never late. Also I realize how much I like road bike parts as mtb parts have gone off the reservation never to return, so to speak. You know I really do love riding through the rolling countryside here in Ohio, especially around the farms with massive green pastures and the indescribably fresh air that we have around here. I really feel at home in the countryside. Call it Ohio, England, Minnesota .... ahahahha ... it's all the same to me .... perfect is perfect. Jack Trumbull the builder/owner of his brand Franklin frames is still there and I've contemplated having him build me another frame. Now that I've realized some oops and umms of details I wasn't aware of back then, it's new frame day ! I'm pretty sure he still uses some Reynolds tubing, whatever is available. I like him as he's rather no frills. He repairs any brand of steel frame and does his own painting. I don't know what I'll do about the Susie but it'll work out in some wonderful way. On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 8:07:41 PM UTC-4, Craig Montgomery wrote: > > *My takeaway from all this is that in this case a "lively" frame will feel > that way with large of range of tire quality.... whereas a frame that isn't > so lively, even with specifically "supple" tires isn't going to compensate > for it's not so liveliness. Improve the ride, yes. * > > Bingo! That's the epiphany. And that's the case for handbuilt frames > by master builders; AND looking for vintage frames built by master > builders. You have,Garth ol' boy, a full-on old school touring frame of the > highest order (in materials and craftsmanship) built by someone who knew > what they were doing. That's why it rides the way it does, on the tires > (which don't matter that much overall) you choose for it. > Nobody I know of makes these things anymore except for a few of the > remaining old English companies like Mercian or Ellis Briggs or one offers > like Kevin Sayles. Or in France, the Alex Singer shop. Back in those days > (1999? THOSE days? Gimme a break!...sorry) about the only tires available > were 27x1 1/4" or 1 3/8" or 700x32's or maybe 35's (we're talking touring > now...not toodling around on pavement in urban environments). So the frame > had to be so masterfully built that it would allow the bike tourist to hit > rough pavement and dirt roads without him being bludgeoned to death. > Without having his gonads ground into cottage cheese. > Hence, our bikes Garth: > Here's my '99 Jack Taylor Tourist (essentially an unchanged design > since the 40's). Almost but not quite the spittin' image of yours. > 72STA/72.5HTA with a fork rake that ends somewhere just outside of China. > These were standard touring designs for decades. Loaded or unloaded, when > you hit the rough stuff with a bike like this, it was like jumping onto a > very lusciously firm water bed (Oh gawd I'm dating myself again). Don't get > me wrong, I really like my Black Mountain Monster Cross with its light > tubing and fat Gravel Kings. But at the end of a long rough ride (esp. > loaded touring) it doesn't leave me feeling as "refreshed" as the > traditional Taylor on it's 700x35 Paselas. > > "*I can see how those that have both a lively frame and supple tires > would find it blissful!" *We should have been living in England or > France 60 or 70 years ago when this was common knowledge. > > Craig "Old and In the Way"(Tony Rice/Jerry Garcia-1973) in Tucson > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:01:01 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: >> >> Yeah Ted it seems I do prefer frames that have some flex in the right >> places. The 531ST tubes are intended for touring, slightly thicker wall >> diameter than the regular 531. OF course I know nothing of designing bikes, >> but thankfully the designer/builder does and he would not do something he >> wasn't comfortable with. Tall head tube, yes, I've seen taller ! Fork flex >> is in the blades. >> >> In regards to the tubing, 531 seems to have a kind of PFM status... pure >> f'n magic for their ride characteristics. >> >> https://www.bretonbikes.com/homepage/cycling-article-blog/87-reynolds-531-tubing-the-cycle-tourists-friend >> >> My takeaway from all this is that in this case a "lively" frame will feel >> that way with large of range of tire quality.... whereas a frame that isn't >> so lively, even with specifically "supple" tires isn't going to compensate >> for it's not so liveliness. Improve the ride, yes. >> >> I can see how those that have both a lively frame and supple tires would >> find it blissful ! >> >> At 165lbs or so I would have to go really low on the Bomba to get a pinch >> flat as I naturally ride "light" over things. I have Big Ben 50 on there >> now @25-30 psi. I'll try lowering them off the pavement and see how it >> goes. As for other tires .... man it's like pie in the sky. They all look >> good from afar ! 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