Late to the party again. And a little rusty re: current camera market as I'm 3mos into covid furlough and expending energy elsewhere. I also have very little knowledge/experience/depth re: newer multi-sensor/multi-lens phone cams. I'm sure there's a lot you can do with them, but given the size of the sensors, I'm not sure how they'd stack up against a camera sensor 10x bigger with a good, fast prime lens. In general:
Whatevs: A good eye for subject/composition/color/etc/etc beats technology, for the most part. The camera/stove quote is on the mark. And anything you use is better than nothing. Film vs digital: Whatever floats yer boat, I suppose, though digital certainly is handier, and post-exposure is a zillion times more flexible. I suppose if you get your film scanned and work from the digital files, you've got your flexibility back, but how much do you have to pay to get a scan from a neg that's going to match the native output from even a midrange digicam? Sensor size/generations: Bigger sensors are better, more detail, less noise, more flexible files. But sensor age/generation matters as well, so a 5yr-old full-frame sensor might not hold up all that well against a very recent APS-C, M43 or even 1-inch sensor. As far as certain parameters are concerned. My 1st-gen Sony A7 full-frame with a 85mm f/1.2 lens shot wide-open is gonna give me better subject isolation out of the camera than any smaller sensor can, no matter how recent the smaller sensor. Point-and-shoot vs SLR/Mirrorless: P&S for compactness, bigger camera/sensor for better image quality. With the sole exception of the Panny LX100, which has the same sensor size as Panny's mirrorless bodies. Interchangeable-lens cameras obviously also give you lens choice/flexibility. Mirrorless vs DSLR: Mirrorless all the way. DSLRs are dinosaurs after the meteor hit---their days are numbered. And unlike the dinos, they have little reason to exist any more. But I am prejudiced. As for my faves/recs: Point-and-shoot: Panny LX100/LX100II wins over Sony RX100 any version: if the bigger size isn't an issue, LX100 has a significantly bigger sensor, much better viewfinder and very nice set of analog controls. You're limited in telephoto reach, though, only 75mm, so if you need more, RX100vi or vii, whichever goes to 200mm zoom. Just know you're getting that zoom at the expense of lens maximum aperture/speed, and smaller sensor means less detail, more noise, less flexibility. M43: GM5 is still the emperor for small size packing a big punch. I do like the newer GX85, and the even more recent GX9 for better vf, handling, quicker af and better sensors, but they are bigger. Fuji: If you like the idea of the XT1/2/3/4, take a look at the XT10/20/30. Same generational sensors, still significant analog controls, significantly smaller. The viewfinder is also smaller, which is a negative, but the smaller overall body size can make up for that. Bigger: If you want detail and soft backgrounds and all that stuff, there's no real substitute for full frame, fast primes and lotsa pixels. I'll sling a Sony A7RII and 85mm, 90mm or 105mm prime in a Think Tank MindShift 15 bag if I'm shooting bike pron. If you ain't sufferin', it ain't art. Leica M8 & IIIf: Holy Hannah! Paul Brodek Hillsdale, NJ USA On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 11:38:55 AM UTC-4, Scott Calhoun wrote: > > I really like compact mirrorless cameras, and currently use a Panasonic > Lumix GM5. At the time I bought it a few years ago, it was the smallest > interchangeable lens mirrorless camera on the market (bar of soap size > body). It has a solid feeling mostly metal body and the quality of > construction seems great IMO. Panasonic makes a Leica that looks almost > identical, so I consider this a poor man's Leica. I suppose the Leica has > different software or some other tweaks, but I don't really know. There > might be something smaller now. It uses the micro 4/3 system lenses. I have > a couple of primes that are nice for cycling. One complaint is that the > stock lens it comes with, a 12-32mm, has to be rotated about an 1/8 of a > turn to be in shooting mode--if you shoot while riding, this is a problem. > For that reason, I purchased a couple of primes: a Lumix 20mm 1.7 and an > Olympus Zuiko 45mm 1.8. The 20mm lens is good for all around landscape and > street shots and cycling stuff--Zuiko 45mm is excellent for portraits. > > I've also owned the first generation Fuji x100. I loved the quality of the > images and the film simulation modes, but the large size of the body and > really bad UI (not the manual controls, but the digital settings). > > If I was buying again today, I might consider the Lumix LX100 2 with the > non-interchangable zoom. I find I don't change my lense as much as I > thought I would. Paul Brodek is really up on the Lumix line and cameras in > general so I hope he weighs in. > > Cheers, > Scott > > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote: >> >> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated >> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay >> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I >> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means >> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what >> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found >> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 >> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have >> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry >> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag. >> >> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are >> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the >> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point >> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which >> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then >> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and >> heartier?). >> >> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, >> use it, etc? >> >> With abandon, >> Patrick >> >> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org >> www.DeaconPatrick.org >> www.CatholicHalos.org >> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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