Hello Ash.

This is so helpful. Thank you!!!

Gonna hunt up a 53!

☆ Paul

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On Sep 10, 2020, 8:27 AM -0400, Ash <ashw...@gmail.com>, wrote:
> Paul,
>
> As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out the 
> front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
> stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
> market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)
>
> 3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the front. 
> One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It requires a 
> tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT Atlantis I had 
> owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with overall wheelbase 
> than front-center or fork-rake.   That small inconvenience gets you a ton 
> extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend (or maybe the overall angle 
> contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of dance when you go over gravels 
> and other road imperfections.  I think it acts like a micro shock-absorber.  
> The feeling is simply delightful.  It makes me often avoid the smooth side of 
> the trail and ride on the bumpy side, if available.
>
> Cheers,
> Ash
> > On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > Hello Ash
> > >
> > > Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
> > >
> > > Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> > > measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> > > short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> > > turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> > > front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
> > >
> > > Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> > > and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Paul,
> > > >
> > > > It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
> > > > thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two 
> > > > cents.
> > > >
> > > > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
> > > > attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly 
> > > > realized that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the 
> > > > first place. I've had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even 
> > > > longer. This bike runs large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for 
> > > > Riv's top notch customer service.  They happily exchanged the frame for 
> > > > a 50cm version, which fits me much better.
> > > >
> > > > As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
> > > > relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even 
> > > > with Bosco!).
> > > >
> > > > Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar 
> > > > is too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the 
> > > > frame happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean 
> > > > option to bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ash
> > > >
> > > > PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
> > > > used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took 
> > > > the picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, 
> > > > due to low light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Y'all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 
> > > > > > 75.5 PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and 
> > > > > > they'd both work for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to 
> > > > > > double check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 
> > > > > > 52 Clem L, and I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a 
> > > > > > bit low. It would require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up 
> > > > > > where I like them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is 
> > > > > > it working for you?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you upload a photo?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to 
> > > > > > ask for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top 
> > > > > > of seat tube height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer 
> > > > > > than on the Clem L, and that I don't have to have a crazy high stem 
> > > > > > on the Susie if I buy the 53.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope I'm making sense here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks all!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 🙏
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
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