Thanks, Todd. I got the 40t Zephyr K ring today, pulled the drive-side crankarm off to install it, and when I tried to switch the rings realized what I actually needed was an Alize K ring, not a Zephry K. Alize is 130bcd, Zephyr is 110bcd. So not even close.
So for all the stuff I wrote in previous posts about the Zephyr K tripelizer ring, should've read Alize K tripelizer ring. Sheesh. If it's not one thing, it's another. Paul Brodek Hillsdale, NJ USA On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 2:17:12 PM UTC-4, Todd G. wrote: > > Beautiful bike, Paul. Looks very well thought out and I’m sure it rides as > good as it looks. Enjoy! > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 2:27:43 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Shoot, I thought Joe had thought that little thing up just for me. It's a >> nice little oddity, but serves no purpose that I can see. >> >> Speaking of oddities, I had Chauncey braze a wire "L" onto the right >> seatstay just below the bridge, made I think from an old spoke. This is a >> chain hook, tho' Joe put an elegant little shelf on the chainstay for this >> purpose just for'ard of the dropout; but that shelf -- a kind of >> metalsmith's version of the Columbine hanger -- doesn't work well, since >> there is no derailleur to hold the chain taut; the chain just slips off. >> But the "L" does hold it up out of the sand (no pretty grass verges here) >> when I have to remove the rear wheel by the side of the road. >> >> I'd guess that the L's upright is about 1/2" long. When he made the 2003 >> Curt replacement (the Curt didn't have that little chainstay lug wing) I >> asked him to make the upright longer. He did that. It's about 1 1/2" long, >> comically long. But it does work; you can skewer both runs of chain on it >> with room to spare. >> >> Both of these are really hidden from sight behind the seatstay; you have >> to crane your neck and peer closely to see them. >> >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 8:14 PM Paul Brodek <pcb....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That bb shell w/shelf-wing design isn't uncommon, fwiw, and the one on >>> Patrick's frame isn't the same shell as the Richard Sachs bb. Richard has >>> been designing his own lugs for a long time now, but I'm not very familiar >>> with who his suppliers have been over the years. So I don't know who made >>> the bb shell in Eric's frame, but it's almost certainly an exclusive Sachs >>> design. >>> >>> Maxway is a Taiwanese framebuilding company, but I don't think they make >>> their own lugs. They're the go-to shop in Taiwan for higher-end steel frame >>> mfr. They made the Kogswells, wouldn't be surprised if that's who Riv is >>> using for their Taiwan production. The recent Raleigh Team Pro 40th >>> Anniv/Tribute frameset is made by Maxway. >>> >>> The two better-/best-known lug mfrs in Taiwan are Allotec and Long Shen. >>> I don't know much about Allotec, but the 40th Anniv Raleigh Team Pro uses >>> lugs made by Allotec. >>> >>> Long Shen was/is better known, I think, but it seems like they're >>> closing/closed. Riv said something about "a sister company" taking over >>> production so they weren't worried. Richard Sachs said he placed a "big m-f >>> order" with Long Shen when he heard the news. He did not abbreviate "m-f." >>> >>> Long Shen was making the current Sachs lugs, dropouts and probably other >>> frame fittings as well, but they were/are Richard's own designs. He owns >>> the molds/tooling, so potentially he could find someone else to make them, >>> but he ordered enough to likely last till his last hurrah. >>> >>> Long Shen made lugs for other folks, too, so those folks would have had >>> to scramble to fine new suppliers. The Pacenti lugs/drops, now owned by >>> Framebuilder Supply, were from both Long Shen and Allotec. >>> >>> I _think_ there's still cast lugs being made in Japan. I'm pretty sure >>> that's where Mark DiNucci gets his lugs/bits made. >>> >>> Many years ago I visited Nikko Lugs in Japan, with Trek's big (in many >>> senses of the word) buyer Fred Drenhouse (RIP). Fred was so big/tall many >>> just called him "Big Fred." To me he was Fred De House. Sorry for the >>> drift. Nikko still seems to be in business, still making lugs, but they're >>> a bulge-forming company, don't think they do casting. That bb design has to >>> be cast, can't get that wing with bulge-forming, afaik. >>> >>> Richard Sachs designed some lugs for Grant @ BS USA in the early '90s, >>> with Grant intending Nikko to make them for the RB series. Don't know if >>> those ever went into production. >>> >>> Paul Brodek >>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote: >>>> >>>> Not saying they made the frame, just the lug. >>>> >>>> Laing >>>> >>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:54:04 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pretty sure that is an "M" for Maxway. >>>>> I have that same feature on my Maxway single speed frame. I believe >>>>> that they made some frames for Rivendell at some point, located in Taiwan. >>>>> >>>>> Laing >>>>> Delray Beach FL >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:48:06 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> There’s a maker whose name starts with “W” (can’t recall the name at >>>>>> the moment) who makes BB shells like that. My Richard Sachs has one: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Eric Norris >>>>>> campyo...@me.com >>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 28, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Paul Brodek <pcb....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Patrick, >>>>>> >>>>>> My frame doesn't have the Little Wing (Well she's walking/thru the >>>>>> clouds...), but I'm pretty sure what you've got there is a cast bb >>>>>> shell, >>>>>> with the wing integral to the casting. Can't remember who makes it, but >>>>>> I've seen 'em before. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and I bit the bullet and changed the front rim strip as well. >>>>>> Then the tube burst in the stand, pulling it I saw it had already gotten >>>>>> distorted/damaged by the Velox tape, so it was waiting for fail. >>>>>> >>>>>> It should be said, though, that the tubes are Q-Tubes Extralights, >>>>>> made by Kenda, which I have used for years without any particular >>>>>> problems. >>>>>> But over the past year or two I've had more than a few rim-side failures >>>>>> with these. Fortunately usually not on the road. Kinda feel like I maybe >>>>>> fell into a bad batch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul Brodek >>>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 2:58:37 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please let us have more ride reports after you get the new bike >>>>>>> sorted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Curious: Did Joe S braze a wee little "wing" strut between chainstay >>>>>>> lugs just aft of seat tube and forward of cs bridge? He did on my 1999 >>>>>>> gofast fixie custom (half-assed photo attached). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Paul Brodek <pcb....@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I actually got a reasonable ride yesterday on this puppy. >>>>>>>> Evidence of late-night/rookie misses was the twisty/sliding >>>>>>>> saddle----undertightened binder bolt, and the handlebars rotating >>>>>>>> downward >>>>>>>> drastically on the first hard stop---undertensioned stem. The stem was >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> minor issue because it's a Dura-Ace stem, which requires a long/thin >>>>>>>> 6mm >>>>>>>> wrench to reach the short internal bolt. That leaves you with the >>>>>>>> short end >>>>>>>> of an L-wrench hanging out the back, which is very difficult to torque >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> spec. Fortunately I had a small 9-10mm wrench with one end closed, so >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> could use that for added torque. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I had a flat about 3min from home, too close to bother with a >>>>>>>> roadside fix, so I ignominiously walked it home despite having all the >>>>>>>> repair fixin's in my bag. The lightweight tube had punctured due to >>>>>>>> older >>>>>>>> hardened velox tape leaving too deep a scoop above the spoke ferrules, >>>>>>>> which I didn't discover till after the longish walk home, but that >>>>>>>> meant if >>>>>>>> I had repaired it on the road, I would have had to redo it when I got >>>>>>>> home >>>>>>>> anyway to replace the rim tape. I do remember during assembly thinking >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> should probably replace that rim tape, but when it's late and I'm >>>>>>>> tired I >>>>>>>> usually think that inner voice is stupid. Did the rear at home, in the >>>>>>>> stand, still oughta replace the front rim strip as well. Cleaned up >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> somewhat oxidized spoke nipples while I was at it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seat/handlebar slips and flat rear tire followed by a walk home. >>>>>>>> You know what? All in all it was still a very nice ride.... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Riv rides good. Didn't particularly "feel fast," yet I made very >>>>>>>> good time. It corners faster than I expected, not at all a bad thing. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> 30mm actual width Soma SV SLs felt great, until the rear flat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It felt like it wanted to shimmy pretty quickly if I took my hands >>>>>>>> off the bars, but then I remembered the front wheel dish was way off, >>>>>>>> and...I hadn't dealt with that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess that's what shakedown rides are for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul Brodek >>>>>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:11:28 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually, come to think of it, if it was mine there's always the >>>>>>>>> possibility there was an intermediary caretaker between me and Trevor. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure the color was considered a Burnt Orange. Frame >>>>>>>>> size was 58.5cm square c-c, def a bit lower than I like. There were >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> paint flaws down near the seat tube bottle bosses that were sanded >>>>>>>>> away, >>>>>>>>> visible in the naked frame photos. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have nothing against simplicity, but I think I like the curlier >>>>>>>>> head lugs on the '95 Road better than the simpler lines on the Starck. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul Brodek >>>>>>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2020 at 2:04:21 PM UTC-4, Paul Brodek >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for linking it, Peter. If Trevor has it now, it went from >>>>>>>>>> Peter to me to Trevor. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter asked me earlier offlist if the frame had been a little >>>>>>>>>> small for me, and looking at my notes on the frame dims I said >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> not. But now looking at the built pix on flickr, yeah, definitely >>>>>>>>>> closer to >>>>>>>>>> "a little too little" for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All I've managed with the new Starck Riv so far is a coupla >>>>>>>>>> round-the-block sweeps, which it handled nicely. I detected slight >>>>>>>>>> notes of >>>>>>>>>> lemongrass, with a subtle smoky finish. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul Brodek >>>>>>>>>> Hillsdale, NJ USA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 1:57:12 PM UTC-4, Peter >>>>>>>>>> Bridge wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 9:12:30 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul I might have your Riv. What color was it? Size? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From my vague memory, kinda caramel maybe? Maybe with an area >>>>>>>>>>> that had been sanded on the down tube? Can't remember the color of >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> head tube. Unless PB2 repainted it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Oh here we go, it's on Paul's flickr: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/26383479@N04/albums/72157637897698005 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ~pb1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/31242df7-033a-434b-88b2-08c6c53f21efo%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/31242df7-033a-434b-88b2-08c6c53f21efo%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8bdda338-1ae6-460e-832e-1bc72d2c20e6o%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8bdda338-1ae6-460e-832e-1bc72d2c20e6o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/05e70a20-0f05-4c0a-a015-b574aa0cd087o%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/05e70a20-0f05-4c0a-a015-b574aa0cd087o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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