The inside shelf is a weird Shimano lock-in thing and it can be easily 
filed off. 

- Marc

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 8:41:58 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I'm curious whether anyone could confirm or deny if all 104/64bcd cranks 
> are created equal with middle/outer chainring compatibility or whether 
> there are possibly some variances in spider/shelf design?
>
> The reason I ask... and this is purely academic at this time as I've no 
> real need/time/expense to fully pursue any projects right now... is that I 
> just now became aware of a spec/design feature of my Deore LX FC-M571 
> Octalink triple crank which actually has a different shelf height on the 
> middle and outer part of the 104bcd spider.
>
> I came to this realization after recently cleaning and mocking up my spare 
> crank for a potential 2021 build.  I originally acquired this crank used as 
> a 22-32-44 triple on a hand me down frame plus parts and turned it into a 
> 32t bashguard sandwiched 1x crank for a while and then had picked up a 
> 64bcd 32t inner ring (see example in the link below) and temporarily set it 
> up as a 32t-32t-guard while experimenting with some chainline stuff on a 
> previous project. 
>
> It never occurred to me before that 104bcd were unlike most 110bcd or 
> 130bcd cranks I have with matching shelf height/spacing on the inner(middle 
> if a triple)& outer ring positions.  My line of thinking was that if the 
> 64bcd 32t position proved to offer better overall alignment than the middle 
> 104mm 32t position I could just shift the bashring to the middle position 
> with some single stack bolts.  Plus it gives me the option of a future 
> 32-48t double for some more road oriented riding but  I was rather 
> surprised to realize the chainguard and OEM outer 44t rings do not 
> actually fit the middle 104bcd position because there's shallower spacing 
> on the shelf to bolt hole on the inside and they'd need to be filed to fit.
>
> This realization had me further wondering about the 48t ring noted as 
> being compatible with my exact 64bcd 32t inner ring for a 2x double crank.  
> Anywhere I look I only find 48t SRAM/Truvativ rings spec'd as outers and/or 
> for triples with 104bcd (any 48t doubles I've found are a different BCD 
> altogether.)
>
> I'll admit my search hasn't been overly thorough, and possibly even more 
> confusing with the same ring often being labeled as 'SRAM in Truvativ 
> packaging' but for a 32t ring that everywhere I find it clearly states 'for 
> use with 48t' I've yet to find the complementary 48t 'for use with 32t' 
> that would specifically fit as a middle 104bcd.
>
> My moderate investment in this still useful 104/64bcd crank with spare 
> BB-ES51 bottom brackets for both 68mm and 73mm shells and Riv's recent 
> release of the 104/64bcd Silver crank is mostly what has me wondering... 
>
>
> https://planetcyclery.com/sram-32-tooth-64mm-bcd-aluminum-chainring-gray-use-with-48t?gclid=Cj0KCQjwuL_8BRCXARIsAGiC51Cx5-QnwJ5GwH4cASMAgEDJ8yy9wxwkgIGS-zdE3hVNrWIPDNsfh9caAvpcEALw_wcB
>
> You could certainly argue that if I'm ultimately after a narrower 1x 
> chainline and/or 32t/40something double for pavement usage I'd be better 
> off with a narrower q crank, and you'd generally be correct.  I do also 
> have another option with a 110 crank and rings that should be sufficient 
> but just more or less trying to figure out the possibilities and details 
> I've apparently overlooked all these years on 104bcd.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ
>

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