Grant has ranted against carbs as well but we’re still eating bread. 

In my case having an e-bike makes me take far fewer trips by car than I would 
without an e-bike. I’m not going to go car free because I like to drive but I 
do use my cars way less these days. I have a cargo e-bike so I am able to do 
virtually all of my shopping by bike. Including large Costco runs. I’m the dork 
with the huge package of toilet paper on the rear rack.

I don’t see myself ever getting a recreational e-bike anytime but that could 
change as I continue to age.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Nov 7, 2020, at 4:01 PM, George Schick <bhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to admit that both creeping old age and ignorance may be playing a 
> part, but I just am not understanding this thread.  For months now, maybe 
> even years, Grant has ranted against the advent of the eBike for various 
> reasons both environmental as well as physical.  Yet, here we are suddenly 
> espousing it.  What gives?
> 
> Why this sudden embracing of this "new technology" with its dependence upon 
> batteries and other components that make the use of "rare earth" elements, 
> many of which, when removed from the ground either by direct force or by 
> chemical extraction, have done major environmental damage to areas in China 
> areas where such mining has occurred ( 
> https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-wrestles-with-the-toxic-aftermath-of-rare-earth-mining
>  ).  I thought the major thrust of Rivbike (and Grant) was to espouse the use 
> of the human means of traveling.
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 12, 2019 at 5:40:06 PM UTC-5 J Imler wrote:
>> An eJoe is in the works. Has anyone tried an eJoe? I think it's gonna be 
>> great. I'm mainly doing so to hull my son up Mt. Diablo on the Burley 
>> trailer bike so we can bike camp together. It's not gonna happen otherwise. 
>> I'll report back as things progress... likely a hub drive rear wheel kit. 
>> I'm open to any ebuild advice.
> 
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