Welcome, Phillip! I can't speak to a Joe or AHH, I'm sure both would be great choices, but for me, the Sam has been a blast to ride on just about everything except hiking trails. A big difference between the Sam and the AHH is canti-posts. Maybe explore the various Rivendell builds at Radavist.com, plenty of excellent examples. Scott On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 9:55:40 PM UTC-5 Nathan Mattia wrote:
> Greetings, Phillip! > Your lone picture turns me green with envy. I soooo want to visit my > Mother Land on my Mother’s side, and hopefully ride there too. > > I would have to agree with Ed and say that a Sam Hillborne is just the > thing. I have a 51cm with 650b Fatty Rumpkin tires and it’s a fantastic > ride. > Here’s a build post about my Samwise Hillborne from my blog > <https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/> > > If you want footage of someone taking a Sam on rougher terrain, check out > these vids from PathLessPedaled > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRUo74yqz6w > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii0I6PY0cvo > And this one’s even about what bars make more sense on the Sam: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-yyNxJcF5M > > Cheers, and I sincerely hope to see you on the trails one day! > On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 9:18:56 AM UTC-6 [email protected] > wrote: > >> Thanks all, I'm certainly very comfortable on a drop bar bike albeit I >> spend about 90% of the time on the hoods. Many years & pounds ago I used to >> indulge in a little road racing & currently both my bikes are really set up >> too low (pure road machine is a CIOCC) for my aging body and part of this >> build will be to get everything more on the level as it were. Grant's "Just >> Ride" has been very helpful in this. >> >> I've been guilty too of ignoring market segments, no one told me at 12 >> years old that I couldn't ride my hand me down, "girl's frame" bike in the >> dirt & when the forks collapsed I took the legs from an old lawn lounger, >> beat the ends flat & drilled & clamped them to the axle & stem! Point >> being, that the industry has done a great job of convincing people that >> it's well nigh impossible to ride X terrain if you don't have Y gear. Once >> again, Grant & I see eye to eye on this one, hence my reason for being >> here. The way I see it, some people buy equipment to ride & some people >> ride so they can buy equipment! Both are perfectly OK but it seems like >> most here are of the former group. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 5:09:54 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote: >> >>> Phillip, welcome to the group. I love to hear and see what others ride >>> in their locations, you've certainly got a new perspective for us from >>> Scotland. The climate well responsible for my trusty Hilltrek anorak, my >>> grail late fall, winter and early spring shell. Your work and locations >>> remind me of an old movie, Local Hero, starring Peter Riegert, Burt >>> Lancaster and a Mark Knopfler soundtrack. >>> >>> Your mention of the Kona Sutra ULTD makes a nice point which is that a >>> drop bar bike can really go deeper into the woods and wilds than imagined. >>> A short stem is a part of it as long as the rest of the geometry and fit >>> allows that bar position to be natural. Riding on the hoods if fit such as >>> that bears a very similar arm position benefit to riding a flat bar with >>> bar end grips. Back in the day my MTB trail riding and climbing in the >>> Ozarks was improved by the 90° outward rotation of my gripping hands using >>> those. Hoods on drop bars produce that relaxes my arm muscles (from >>> pronation toward supination), reducing the angle of my elbow (flexion) and >>> madeit easier to get back over the rear wheel. >>> >>> I was always an underbiker, riding my RB-1 on fire roads and smooth >>> paths, my XO-2 on the trails and my Rivendell Rambouillet across the >>> country.The old skills remain in muscle memory and I continue to ride bikes >>> a bit beyond their market segment intention! >>> [image: 8DDD96C2-D7D2-4805-81DE-5DF826EE136B_1_105_c.jpeg] >>> Andy Cheatham >>> Pittsburgh >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 12:30:37 PM UTC-5 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually I've ridden Big Bend & across the border into Baja & Nuevo >>>> Leon many times! Mostly on dirt motorcycles but also some MTB stuff, I >>>> love >>>> the desert too. I live full time on Dallas (my job is US based) & we're >>>> commuting back & forward (well pre-COVID that was the plan at least) as we >>>> build a house on Skye. Provided you can stand wind & rain, there's >>>> tremendous riding in the Highlands & Islands all within easy reach, the >>>> roads get busy with RVs & buses in the summer but the rest of the time >>>> it's >>>> you & the wee ewes. Look on YouTube for cycling the Northwest 500, the >>>> Hebridean Way (a short ferry ride from us) or the West Highland Way, >>>> guarantee you'll be packing your bags! >>>> >>>> Since my goal is to ride to the trails, then ride the actual trails I'm >>>> actually starting to think that I may need something a little more >>>> off-road >>>> focused than the Rivendell's though? The Kona Sutra ULTD looks like an >>>> interesting candidate with relaxed geometry & good 'ol steel bones. Of >>>> course, nothing like the exquisite build or the great story of the Rivs... >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't give you much help in answering your question -- my Rivendells >>>>> have all been road bikes -- but I can say welcome to the group, and, >>>>> please >>>>> post more photos (and descriptions) of your Scottish riding environment. >>>>> I >>>>> myself live in the high-desert US Southwest, at the polar opposite, >>>>> aesthetically and geographically, from your area, but my distant Celtic >>>>> roots (Scots Irish on father's paternal side) feel a wave of nostalgia >>>>> from >>>>> such pictures as this one you posted. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 >>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson >>>>> bike already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested >>>>> in >>>>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is >>>>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & >>>>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I >>>>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most >>>>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist >>>>> bikepacking >>>>> overnights. >>>>> > >>>>> > From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam >>>>> Hillborne or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also >>>>> recommended the Appaloosa. >>>>> > >>>>> > I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them >>>>> & thanks in advance for any advice you can give. >>>>> [image: image.png] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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