Aside from what others have stated the only other piece of advice is when 
installing the valve stem push really hard from the tire inside side while 
you tighten down the whatever it's called, grommet? nut? spinny thing? I 
had trouble getting it to seal around the valve stems on my stans 
valve/cliffhanger rim combo but that did the trick.
On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 6:29:15 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks all lots of good info here, makes sense to use the "real" tape as 
> the cost is not very high. As to the fitting; I've done this many times 
> with dirt motorcycle tires so have an idea of what I'm facing!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 5:52:16 AM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:
>
>>
>> yes forgot soapy water and it can also help to warm up new tires in the 
>> sun for a while. when i received my Gravel King Slicks in the mail the 
>> vendor had squished them down to their smallest size for mailing by folding 
>> them tightly to fit in the envelope. the folding did not wreck the beads 
>> but put a definite kink in the bead that was harder to straighten out when 
>> installing on the rim. the kink made it extra hard to get the air to stay 
>> in. in the end i first installed a tube, inflated to high pressure, seated 
>> bead on both sides, deflated, took the tube out of one side, left the other 
>> bead seated, and proceeded, with soapy water, and co2 to get the other side 
>> to seat. oh what fun.
>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 8:52:08 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> Tubeless tape isn't very expensive. As mentioned I'd use it over 
>>> Gorilla. And inflation can be difficult with a standard pump. I have a 
>>> small compressor, and I also have a Topeak Joeblow Booster, which allows 
>>> you to pump a chamber to high psi and let it out in one blast to seat 
>>> tubeless tires. Works well in my experience. 
>>>
>>> Soap water on the bead helps seat. Also, the tires will probably leak 
>>> sealant out the sidewall until they are sealed, so you'll see little white 
>>> specks. You may need to use a couple of extra shots of sealant the first 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> tubeless in walnut creek
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 7:45:30 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:
>>>
>>>> i would say make yourself ready for asking yourself why you decided to 
>>>> go tubeless :). the learning curve in my garage was hours long. get ready 
>>>> for tight tires (Conti 5000) that are impossible to get on rim. or get 
>>>> ready for loose tires (GravelKing Slicks) that are impossibly loose and 
>>>> challenging to set the beads. tight tires make it easier to set the beads. 
>>>> loose tires are a pain in the butt to set the beads. regardless you might 
>>>> be successful with a standard floor pump but there's a high likelihood 
>>>> you'll need CO2 or compressor or an a cannister like an Airshot. the tough 
>>>> ones need a strong and quick blast of air. without the blast get ready for 
>>>> anger.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, March 5, 2021 at 5:21:14 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I will say that if you use Gorilla tape, it is a bitch to clean up the 
>>>>> rim when you remove it.  Lots of residue left on the rim that will need 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> be stripped off with acetone.  Analog sells tubeless tape at a very 
>>>>> reasonable price.  One roll will do at least a dozen wheels.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://analogcycles.com/product/analog-tubeless-tape/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:01:37 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say so-called tubeless-compatible tyres aren't necessary unless 
>>>>>> you need to buy new tyres. For several years now I've been running 
>>>>>> Hutchinson Confrérie des 650B tyres tubeless on one bike (Velocity A23 
>>>>>> rims) and Grand Bois Lierre tubeless on another (MCFK i25 hookless 
>>>>>> rims), 
>>>>>> and although neither model of tyre is rated as tubeless, I've had zero 
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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