On topic- Riv makes bikes for every person in that photograph!, and that's 
mostly why I love Rivendell...
-Kai

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:05:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Sorry, off topic I know, but I can't resist. I'm hardly anti-white; my 
> father was so WASP that people thought he was old British military.
>
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> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:51 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One more addendum, regarding frame sizing. I am 5'10" but with an Asian 
>> build; if my torso were combined with Anglo legs, I'd be over 6' tall. My 
>> arms like my legs are shorter than the average Anglo's of my height.
>>
>> The exact right road bike size for me in level top tube frames is 60 X 56 
>> or 57 c-c; this Curt frame matches that with a (3*?) upsloping tt. 
>>
>> Talking (and Singing) of the Nordic Man by Hilaire Belloc
>> I
>>
>> Behold, my child, the Nordic man,
>> And be as like him, as you can;
>> His legs are long, his mind is slow,
>> His hair is lank and made of tow.
>>
>> II
>>
>> And here we have the Alpine Race:
>> Oh! What a broad and foolish face!
>> His skin is of a dirty yellow.
>> He is a most unpleasant fellow.
>>
>> III
>>
>> The most degraded of them all
>> Mediterranean we call.
>> His hair is crisp, and even curls,
>> And he is saucy with the girls.
>> [Note: Belloc is mocking very popular and very common late 19th or very 
>> early 20th century neo-Darwinist eugenic ideologies of racial superiority.]
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:36 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Note: Primer on bottom front of rear dropouts is my doing. Chauncey 
>>> sourced extra-long dropouts from England, but I cut off 1/4" from the 
>>> bottom forward ends to ease axle entry/egress, primered the metal, but 
>>> never got around to a finish coat. For ss use the remaining slots will 
>>> accommodate at least 4 teeth if not 5, assuming that your small cog puts 
>>> the axle close to the end of the dropouts.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 7:31 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sorry Tom didn't in the end like the Curt as well as I eventually 
>>>> ended up liking the Monocog he sent me in trade.
>>>>
>>>> Note that the level tt effective length is 57 or perhaps 56.5. Also, 
>>>> the Matthews replacement fork (made for Matthews 2:1) will accommodate 42 
>>>> mm tires, and perhaps a bit wider, but won't accommodate 42s and fenders 
>>>> as 
>>>> it was supposed to do.
>>>>
>>>> The powdercoat is really first rate and worthy to replace the Joe Bell 
>>>> original paint.
>>>>
>>>> Integrated f and rear racks and internal light wiring.
>>>>
>>>> I would *not* set up Kojaks tubeless. I did that briefly but it was 
>>>> only air pressure holding the beads to the rims. But Kojaks ride well with 
>>>> tubes; they were my tire of choice after I decided that 26 X 1.25 Paselas 
>>>> just flatted too often (tho' Orange Seal regular formula in the Paselas' 
>>>> tubes will solve most puncture problems). Note taht at least with the 
>>>> Matthews fork and just possibly with the original fork you can use the 
>>>> superlative 42 mm RH Naches Pass. And of course you can without any 
>>>> restrictions at all use the also superlative 28 mm Elk Pass, with fenders.
>>>>
>>>> Curt Goodrich's workmanship is stellar, and the modifications by Dave 
>>>> Porter and Chauncey Matthews are well done, too.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 12:02 PM Tom Palmer <volvot...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I traded Patricks' current Monocog for this custom frame, forks, racks 
>>>>> and fenders. It took a while to get built and after riding, it is just 
>>>>> too 
>>>>> big. My plans were for a touring bike since the custom racks are 
>>>>> wonderful- 
>>>>> stiff and light. Patrick had it fixed gear and I have fixed gears and 
>>>>> single speeds, but with touring in mind, I geared it with a not too 
>>>>> hideous 
>>>>> claw mount and Suntour derailler. the frame is 57cm CtoC seat tube and 
>>>>> 56cm 
>>>>> CtoC top tube. I am unsure of the frame angles. A lot of info on this 
>>>>> frame 
>>>>> can be found by searching to archives for "03 Curt". Comes with 2 forks- 
>>>>> original for caliper brakes and custom Patrick had made with cantilevers  
>>>>> or V brakes. nitto Technomic stem and Noodle Bars with Cane creek levers. 
>>>>> Suntour  power ratchet stem shifters shifting rear only- never had front 
>>>>> derailler. I rarely shift the front and would kick down to smaller ring 
>>>>> with foot if needed. I think grant calls it the stick method.  Triple 
>>>>> front 
>>>>> crankset, Sugino XD with 50,42, 30 rings. I rode it in the 42 and never 
>>>>> needed a lower gear. I did not ride it a ton, being too stretched out but 
>>>>> tried it over a few different routes, one with a lot of hills. Rides good 
>>>>> loaded, the racks are great. The rear cluster is 7 speed, fairly wide, 
>>>>> 13-32 I believe. brakes are Tektro 559 front and Shimano 600 rear. 
>>>>> Hammered 
>>>>> fender installed on rear now, with cutout section to clear brake for max 
>>>>> tire clearance. It also includes a set of new VO smooth metal fenders- 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> sure what, but I can check it you wish.  Wheels are early 90's MTB from a 
>>>>> bridgestone MB-3. Rear spacing is 130mm. New 26x1.35 Kojaks measure 36mm 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> these wideish rims. my plan was to set the Kojaks up Tubeless as Patick 
>>>>> had 
>>>>> in the past. Patrick had the frame and forks powder coated and it looks 
>>>>> good.  The bike rides well, I wish it fit me better. I tried it with 
>>>>> Albatross bars also and it fit much better for riding, but the standover 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> still too high for touring for me. I even prefer a mixte for touring. 
>>>>> I have $850 into it considering the Monocog trade and new parts and 
>>>>> that is what I am asking plus actual shipping to the group. 
>>>>> I am attaching a cou, bu thave a lot I can text to you. My number is 
>>>>> 231-206-5 three zero 3.
>>>>> Tom Palmer
>>>>> Twin Lake, MI
>>>>>
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>>>>
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