Looks like 55cm square to me. Does anybody have the original geometry chart 
handy to confirm this was an AR size? This looks like the shorter-TT 
version for drops or Moustache. This is SUCH a nice bike!

Joe Bernard



On Sunday, August 8, 2021 at 2:15:24 PM UTC-7 Justin wrote:

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> [image: 51365794758_0ea8d624f1_c[1].jpg]
> [image: 51366307704_37a753be4e_c[1].jpg]
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> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 11:58:16 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The TT measurement from the Cyclefiend site does not match what a 59 
>> should be. I would need to see a real ST measurement to say for sure. Not a 
>> measurement with teh saddle included.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 9:47:51 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Frame size should be easy to measure - center of crank to top of seat 
>>> lug. Based on "Crank bolt to top of saddle - 30"." and what appears to be 
>>> 6-1/4" [(36-1/8) - (29-7/8] from top of seat lug to top of saddle -> 30" - 
>>> 6-1/4" = 23-3/4" = 60.3 cm.
>>>
>>> Or another estimate
>>> top of pedal to center of crank bolt for 175 mm crank - 175 - (15/2) = 
>>> 167.5mm = 6.6"
>>> 36-1/8" - 6-1/4" - 6.6" = 23.3" = 59.1
>>>
>>> I would say the frame is a 59 based upon the Cyclofiend chart and that 
>>> it has 26" wheels.
>>> Note that 56cm = 22", if the bike were a 56, it would measure 22" from 
>>> the center of the crank bolt to the top of the seat lug
>>>
>>> Note that your height is not what matters, it is your PBH. I am 6' but 
>>> have short legs and thus a short PBH - I need bikes with the TT several 
>>> inches longer than the ST.
>>>
>>> If you really like the bike, why not just get a longer seatpost and 
>>> stem, Nitto makes 300mm seatposts (Riv only lists 250mm versions) and 
>>> taller stems also. Nitto even makes a 300mm tall lugged setback seatpost. I 
>>> would guess that it is easier to find the long seatpost and stem than a 
>>> larger frame.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 8:22:45 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Based on that TT measurement it looks like it probably is a 55.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 11:34:41 PM UTC-4 Justin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, I've received a ton of emails. I'll try to answer the bike 
>>>>> specific questions real quick with some photos which should cover all the 
>>>>> requests. I didn't figure there'd be so much interest and I apologize for 
>>>>> the grief for not have an answer to the "how much?" emails. Since I was 
>>>>> hoping to trade I truly don't have a price in mind to sell. I think the 
>>>>> first 4 emails arrived simultaneously so I'm not even sure who to fairly 
>>>>> give the first shot without there being an offer on deck.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bike is currently on 26" wheels and 2.1" tires, tubed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bike weighs 23.6 lbs in the photo. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Top tube length (C-C) - 22", and (because c-c is too hard to measure 
>>>>> and photograph by myself) the seat tube to head tube - 21" as pictured
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: 51354336564_2a81af25b7_z[1].jpg]
>>>>> [image: 51353595911_9319bb4531_z[1].jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Crank bolt to top of saddle - 30".
>>>>> I'm not sure how that measurement is helpful so I also included top of 
>>>>> pedal to top of saddle - 36" / 175mm crank length. 
>>>>> Saddle height from ground is 39 1/4". Note that the seat post in the 
>>>>> picture is a Nitto S83, not the Jaguar NJ-SP72 because is was too short 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> reach my new saddle height.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: 51353596581_50323d1ef0_z[1].jpg]
>>>>> [image: 51353823913_71cca6a517_z[1].jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:27:10 PM UTC-4 Dave S wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> PM'ed about a too big for me 59cm XO-1 hanging in my garage.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:49:02 PM UTC-4 Justin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it's a really long shot but by all means y'all feel free to 
>>>>>>> let me know about it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've recently come to understand that my recurring knee pain is a 
>>>>>>> result of always riding my saddle a bit too low, and raising the saddle 
>>>>>>> meant raising the stem/bars as well to keep things level. Now the size 
>>>>>>> 56 
>>>>>>> feels just too small sadly. I'm 6'1"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The All Rounder is probably my favorite bike I've ever owned even 
>>>>>>> though it's a size too small for me, and I'd really love to have 
>>>>>>> another in 
>>>>>>> a size that fits. As I understand it, the 58 All Rounder was the last 
>>>>>>> size 
>>>>>>> to keep 26" wheels so a size 60 with 700cc wheels is not really what 
>>>>>>> I'm 
>>>>>>> looking for even though it would fit. Also should point out that I am 
>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>> looking for a modern Rivendell with long chainstays and double toptube, 
>>>>>>> been there done that and it's not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frame/fork or full bike with comparable parts. Really only "want" to 
>>>>>>> trade but... If someone is determined to buy it I guess they'll let me 
>>>>>>> know. Bonus points if someone happens to know of a dormant size 58 not 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> their own but can facilitate it's purchase in exchange for the 
>>>>>>> acquisition 
>>>>>>> of my 56! *Point is I'm hesitant to let the bike go without a bike 
>>>>>>> to put in it's place during this pandemic bike shortage.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something of similar strengths but disc brake could pull me away 
>>>>>>> from it as well, Crust, Singular Peregrine, etc. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil Wood/Sun CR18 front wheel
>>>>>>> Bullseye (made in USA) rear
>>>>>>> Paul Neo Retro/Touring canti brakes
>>>>>>> Nitto Jaguar NJ-SP72 seat post
>>>>>>> Nitto Pearl stem, Mustache bars
>>>>>>> Suntour Superbe brake levers
>>>>>>> Suntour Cyclone/Deaore derailleurs and shifters
>>>>>>> Ritchey cranks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 32" standover at bottom bracket
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's in really great shape, if a bit dirty. More pics if there's 
>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: 51351999495_e41cfd8f29_b[1].jpg]
>>>>>>> [image: 51352077389_867b9084f7_c[1].jpg]
>>>>>>> [image: 51351563428_9c63cda23d_c[1].jpg]
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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