Yes, modern sealants are really amazing. I recall trying Slime some 10 or 15 years ago and finding that it didn't work well enough to be worth the hassle (26X1.25" Paselas) and, when I did get a bigger hole, as from a nail, I just got a huge, green, slimy mess. So I just went back to patching 3 to 5 punctures per week.
In about 2014 I tried a pair of very wonderful Challenge Parigi Roubaix tires on my Ram; these were the original "beaded tubular" model, as supple and fast-feeling as RH extra lights. I got 5 thorn flats in my first 10 miles, no kidding. That's when I bought Stan's. I switched to Orange Seal a couple of years later and find that OS works better: Stan's is 85%, Stan's (in tubes) is 97.5%. Metaphor, not statistics. But man, being able to ride RH Elk Passes on my favorite Riv Road gofast custom makes the expense and hassle plenty worth while. On Sun, Sep 26, 2021 at 8:03 AM Jeffrey Arita <jeffreyar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Patrick, > > Congrats - you (have been) and are realizing the benefits of tubeless > tires. I 100% agree that there is a lot of knowledge (and potential > frustation) learning about these new-fangled tubeless tires. But now that > you *know *how to do it, they will continue to provide the benefits you > describe..... > > One day when we were riding into Silver City (NM) I heard a strange noise > emanating from my rear wheel. Nothing felt out of place so I ignored it. > We got to our motel for the afternoon and setled in....I then examined my > bike and saw a *lot *of *Stan's* on the back of my seat tube (white > globules). Tire was holding air, although it was a bit softer than > normal. I must have picked up some nasty crap that caused the sealant to > fly around like that. I added some air and all was good (had to eventually > buy a new replacement tire in Salida, CO). > > About a month ago I was coaching a good buddy of ours on how to go about > doing tubeless conversions (from afar). Yes, lots and lots of frustation > and I could hear him saying in his head "is this worth all the hassle?" > Well, you just summed it all up with the numerous goatheads you just added > to your *collection*. Can you imagine having to patch up the inner > tube??? What?? You've got to be joking!! > > How often do I add sealant? Great question. I definitely add sealant > before a cyclo-tour or some such thing and a bit of time has passed (maybe > several months). Perhaps a bit sooner if we've had hot and dry weather (we > are in Southern California). FYI: we now have experience with Stan's, > Orange Seal (both standard and endurance) and now Panaracer Seal Smart. > Stan's and OS (both) have worked well and are very easy to add via the > tubeless valve stem (with valve core removed). I've found Panaracer Seal > Smart somewhat harder to add via the tubeless valve stem because the > ground-up walnut shells can clog the stem. I use an old spoke to push > anything that might have gotten clogged in the stem to clear it (yeah, > another pain in the arse). > > Later, > > Jeff (will be in Crested Butte for a few days to leaf peep) > > > On Saturday, September 25, 2021 at 12:39:34 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> First, an update: the Big Ones (again, these are 29 1/2" tall, 62 mm >> wide, and weight *450 grams each*) each have a dozen or so thorns >> embedded in the tread with tops broken off; no air loss. 2-3 fl oz each >> tire of OS Endurance, which is said to take longer to evaporate than OS >> regular. >> >> I schedule replenishment every 3 months or so for tubeless tires, though >> usually what happens is that I forget, and only notice that the sealant has >> evaporated when I get flats that don't seal; fortunately, these have all >> been slow leaks, so I can generally limp home by stopping and pumping. >> >> Endurance doesn't clump; I get a skin and strings of dried sealant which >> I don't bother with unless I have to open the tire for some other reason. >> >> OS regular in tubes takes a year or more to dry out; I just added more to >> one or 2 tubes after a flat or 2 would not seal, and it had probably been >> 18 or 24 months since I had first added the OS regular. (OS Endurance >> doesn't work in tubes, IME.) I've not had OS clump in tubes the way Stan's >> did. >> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:47 AM A. Douglas M. <amill...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Patrick, >>> >>> This year’s crop is indeed bountiful. Last week I got a tire full and >>> made it home only to find that tire (29x2.5 surly ET) flat the following >>> day. I believe my orange seal dried out. >>> >>> Just two days ago I got a few goat heads in my 650b WTB resolutes. I >>> knew this occurred because I got a nice spray of OS all over my hand and >>> leg. It did seal up on its own. A few pumps of the mini pump had me back on >>> the road, and that tire stayed inflated as of this morning. >>> >>> How often do you top off your sealant? How often do you scrape out old >>> boogers? >>> >>> I think tubeless is a requirement in goathead country. Riding is not >>> enjoyable when having to fix 3+ tubes per ride. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Aaron in El Paso >>> >>> On Friday, September 24, 2021 at 8:07:47 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> This evening I did a combined pavement and dirt ride on my "road bike >>>> for dirt" Chauncey Matthews bilaminate custom, on a route including nearby >>>> acequia roads, Paseo Bike Path, Rio Grand Boulevard, Los Poblanos open >>>> space, Montano Boulevard. >>>> >>>> This years's goathead crop is a stunner. I took a shortcut from Los >>>> Poblanos to RG Boulevard that took me over a few hundred feet of goathead >>>> carpet -- I could hear the tires crunching over the thorns as they picked >>>> them up, and the scraping of the embedded thorns against the underside of >>>> the Kelpie fenders. Sure enough, as I turned left onto RGB, I saw dozens of >>>> thorns embedded in the extra light Schwalbe Big One front (450 grams, 62 mm >>>> actual on 35 mm outer width rims). >>>> >>>> But I made it home and just now, 3 hours afterward, checking the tires, >>>> no air loss. >>>> >>>> Orange Seal Endurance formula in tubeless tires is 99% (metaphor, not >>>> metric) effective against small holes. >>>> >>>> I've used Tire Savers (still have a stash) and Mr Tuffys on all sorts >>>> of tires, and believe you me, nothing works as well as good modern >>>> sealants. >>>> >>>> For my extra lightweight 28 mm RH Elk Passes, I use Orange Seal regular >>>> formula in tubes, and this is 90% as good as OS in tubeless tires. >>>> >>>> Modern sealant: don't leave home without it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2f42cae7-1f2b-4117-a487-7a08d9ec38e5n%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2f42cae7-1f2b-4117-a487-7a08d9ec38e5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a4cbce4b-3f6b-42c9-8a3e-7419ff5aeee8n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/a4cbce4b-3f6b-42c9-8a3e-7419ff5aeee8n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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