Toshi,

That's my understanding as well, it has to be thicker tubing walls for
structural strength.

Perhaps the inconvenience of a different seat post diameter was the trade
off to avoid frame warranty claims. In this case the slight inconvenience
was shifted to the consumer. At the end of the day I suppose it's a small
price to pay for Riv to remain viable.

Hugh

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 11:04 PM Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes my understanding is that if you want a thicker tube for strength, the
> outer diameter stays the same—I suppose so you can use the same lugs, but
> that means the inner diameter has to decrease, so you have a smaller seat
> tube diameter.
>
> Toshi in Oakland
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:35 PM Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Fellas,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply's.
>>
>> Ron, honestly I know very little about bicycle frame manufacturing in
>> terms of the decisions that go into ordering a batch of F&F.'s. I could
>> certainly see creating a uniformity of parts and I'm sure Grant has some
>> rationalization for going with this diameter seat tube but it effectively
>> limited choices, virtually every seat post manufacturer makes a 27.2 mm
>> post.
>>
>> Karl, it does.
>>
>> Joe,  they do but I prefer a dual bolt post. They are stronger and allow
>> for better adjustment.
>>
>> A friend of mine on the list here uses a suspension post, When Rivendell
>> went to this seat post diameter it effectively limited him from buying any
>> of the new frames because nobody makes his preferred suspension post in
>> that diameter only in 27.2mm.
>>
>> Perhaps I'll call Grant and ask the man himself why he made that
>> decision. Somewhere I read that he wanted to create a thicker tube wall for
>> more strength? Maybe there were some failures and he was future proofing?
>> Maybe someone with better knowledge will chime in?
>>
>> Hugh n LA
>>
>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:00:52 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know the answer but I do know Riv also carries the S65
>>> single-bolt in 250mm for $84.
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 7:01:38 PM UTC-7 Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe someone can answer this, why in the heck did Rivendell start
>>>> making the seat tube inside diameter 26.8mm on the new bikes? I believe
>>>> hearing something about seat tube wall thickness. Don't get me wrong, I
>>>> think the new Geos make for a better ride, but it's way easier to find
>>>> posts in 27.2mm all day long.
>>>>
>>>> Rivendell has the Nitto S83 in that diameter but it's a whopping 300 mm
>>>> length 50 mm more than I need and also a whopping $128 before tax and
>>>> shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Rant over n out.
>>>>
>>>> Hugh n LA
>>>>
>>>>
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