Man, those Team Stumpies were definitely cool. Never did ride one. Back when they came out, I was buying a year out of date 1984 Stumpjumper frame with the longer stays and built it up. As a college kid with not much money that's the only way I could do it. Pretty sure it came with the bottom bracket and headset. Then when that got stolen out of my garage ended up replacing it with a 1983 Stumpjumper frame. Sadly also stolen from a locked garage.
Either way, owning those bikes made it much easier for me in my dotage to go for a Clem low. In fact, my only regret is not getting one when they first came out. Well, and the fact that it will not fit on a regular bike rack. Have to buy one of the wheel tray versions. Not looking forward to it as don't really have the garage space. Oh well. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:40:09 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote: > Oh my god!!! That Stumpy is my last remaining personal holy grail dream > bike that I could never find and probably don't need. PLEASE keep me in > mind if you ever want to get rid of it. (Since it sounds like your kids > dont want it.) > > Regarding the stigma of step-through bikes: I suspect every male wrestles > with it. But I also believe that every enlightened person who rides long > enough and is able to put function and logic and wisdom above fashion and > stereotype and insecurity will eventually "get it. " I do think that the > younger someone is, the quicker they'll be able to get there. Even if it's > not immediate. Not just because they're less fixated on gender roles than > older generations, but because bike fashion is grooming them to accept low > top tubes. Think about Jones Spaceframes or pretty much any modern, > carbon, full-suspension rig. Those are macho bikes by anyone's standards. > Wolbis Slugstone was a badass too. > > Coincidentally and case in point, my son has one of the newest > Stumpjumpers, an S-works, carbon, enduro bike. It's interesting. The way > specialized now sizes bikes like his is to make the standover and stack > heights pretty much identical, regardless of frame size. So the top tube > is LOW. The only thing that changes is the effective top tube length, so > any rider can opt for any frame size depending on ride characteristic > preference, and then adjust to fit with stem and seatpost, etc. > > But I derailed this thread, didn't I.... > > On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 2:56:49 PM UTC-6 El Sapo wrote: > >> You think 30 year old men are going to select the women's version of a >> bike more often than a toad like me? Because they aren't stigmatized? I'll >> ride a pink Stumpjumper Team occasionally (called a "Barbie bike" by a >> little girl on the trail). My 30 something son and his friends are freaked >> out by it and would never ride it. >> >> Grant probably regrets putting men's and women's names on his bikes. >> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> And to plagiarize myself a bit from that convo, some of us older dudes >>> carry a stigma about step-throughs/mixtes that anyone under 30 would >>> consider baffling. In reality it's just a tube brazed down lower on another >>> tube instead of up higher, and most modern road and mountain bikes have >>> sloping toptubes anyway! As our Bicycle Belle Ding Ding Leah says, >>> #toptubeswhoneedsem >>> >>> I hope you get that Clem, Doug! >>> >>> Joe "didn't kick my droptube today" Bernard >>> >>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 7:02:44 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I bought a lottery ticket for a Clem and now I wait. Not sure how >>>> I feel about this system but it does seem a more fair way to sell the >>>> limited amount of bikes. This may be the new normal for awhile until the >>>> cargo backlog clears up. I read somewhere that the cost per bike to ship >>>> by >>>> cargo ship has gone from $17 per bike to about $70 per bike in some cases. >>>> I don't know how accurate these figures are but I don't doubt the >>>> increase. >>>> Couple that with the increased demand and decreased supply coming out of >>>> factories and one can easily understand the price increases across the >>>> markets. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I was texting Joe earlier today about my reservation about >>>> buying a step-through frame and he was saying he loves his custom with the >>>> low top tube. I looked at a few builds online including Grant's Clem L and >>>> they just look so nice. At 54 years old I will enjoy stepping through the >>>> frame instead of having to do a leg lift every time I ride. One other >>>> random thought...I wonder if the Platypus has lowered the demand for the >>>> Clem L? >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:24:52 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote: >>>> >>>>> Aha... Thank you, John, for that note. Must have been a glitch. I just >>>>> clicked on that link and was able to purchase. >>>>> Winter is fast approaching here in MI, so we'll prob. have to pickle >>>>> it until late Spring. >>>>> >>>>> - Max "mmmm.... pickles...." in A2 >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 2:50:59 PM UTC-4 John A. Bennett wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >> Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I checked was >>>>>> apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery tickets to >>>>>> sell out. Maybe >> later folks will start to auction off their "lottery >>>>>> tickets"?.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not to worry. The lottery tickets are NOT sold out, as of Thursday, >>>>>> October 7, at 11:49AM (PDST) >>>>>> >>>>>> Get 'em here: >>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-smith-lotto-ticket-z?variant=40615872757871 >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> john(at)rivbike(dot)com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 9:40:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Johnny Alien wrote:* >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the word "presale" is a bit misleading as to what is being >>>>>>>> suggested here. The suggestion is that they should start a list like >>>>>>>> custom builders do. Lay down that $50 and you are added to the list. >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>> you are up they contact you and if you have changed your mind in the >>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>> that it has taken they can move on to the next name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Agreed. What Riv is currently devising seems convoluted... But the >>>>>>> approach seems to work for the company and, really, is not different >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> what advertising has done in the past and continues to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm awash in bikes, but wanted to snag a Clem L in a warm color for >>>>>>> my spouse. Alas, 1.5 hrs between that email being sent and when I >>>>>>> checked >>>>>>> was apparently more time than it took for all 200 of the lottery >>>>>>> tickets to >>>>>>> sell out. Maybe later folks will start to auction off their "lottery >>>>>>> tickets"?.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am curious how well the supply chain is going to recover, and what >>>>>>> it'll do to the demand and prices for bikes. Not that I'm selling or >>>>>>> buying >>>>>>> mine anytime soon, just curious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Max "emotionally overly attached to certain tangible objects on >>>>>>> two wheels" in A2 >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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