Good stuff, everyone! The one thing that makes me wonder, though, is that this BLUG post below makes it seem like the Sams that were coming out in early 2014 were produced with the 62cm Sage not having a cream head tube, but other double top tubes pictured have cream tubes. https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/68923093887/new-green-sams-came-in-today-available-for/amp
There's no mention in the Blug about the difference, though. Maybe it is where they were produced, though. I know I saw with the Wayback Machine a web special for sage green Sams that should have had cream head tubes but the painter messed up...they were being sold discounted...but I can't remember what year/month/day I checked and saw it. It's pretty unimportant and I only ask because I thought it might be a well-known piece of Riv trivia (Rivia?). Thanks again! Ben On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:57:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I'd say ALL the 'early' Sam's have a single color, with no cream head > tube. Mine, bought in December '09 is all orange. I'm sure some people > might have gotten D&D repaint with a cream headtube. I associate the > transition to cream headtube with 'later' Sam's, and there were a couple > ways that occurred. Some got built at Waterford, and some of it may have > been introduced alongside price increases. You asked "why", which i take > to mean "what was Rivendell's motivation to ever spec any bike without a > cream headtube?" I think it was to keep the price down. When I bought > mine in 2009, it was a $995 frameset. There are several cost-saving > details on mine. No cream headtube, socketed dropouts, etc. I don't > recall what MSRP was in 2013. Early Betty Foys were one color. Romulus > and Redwood were one color. Quickbeam and Simpleones were one color, etc. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 6:13:13 AM UTC-7 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Good morning! >> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green >> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double >> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013) >> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times. >> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there >> are two things I can't seem to find out... >> >> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage >> green bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage >> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me >> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures). >> >> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they >> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just >> curious to poke around on Bike Insights. >> >> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have >> to add! >> >> Thanks! >> Ben in Omaha >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/40576d6b-c09b-465a-b254-e7854b5dbd1an%40googlegroups.com.
