I agree, centerpull brakes might be the best option. The Paul Racers should work great, but may require a bit of tire deflation to mount the wheel, depending upon the width of your tires. Mafac raid or Compass bolt ons should also work equally well, but expensive. I have not tried the DiaCompe 610s, but that would be a cheap try--much cheaper than a new frame!
Best of luck! Toshi in Oakland, CA On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:13 PM Brian Campbell <bdcampbel...@gmail.com> wrote: > As others have suggested the Paul Racer brakes were a big improvement on > my AHH vs. the Tektro 559. I have a second bike with the modern Dia Compe > 610 brakes and find that they work very well. Might they be an option? > > I also recently switched to using compressionless housiing brake/shift > kits and felt it helped quite a bit in the braking department for the two > bikes I put them on. > > On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 2:59:36 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> If you are going to a builder, why not have the builder add V brake posts >> on the Sam? Of course, if there are other reasons for a new frame, they >> please go ahead and report! >> >> I had lowrider brazeons made to my first edition Sam, the one designed >> more sensibly for V or canti brakes. >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:30 PM Thomas Blak <blakc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Late to the game on this one but I specifically came back to this group >>> because I have always had problems with the braking performance with my Sam >>> and 559 brakes. To put it bluntly this is the worst braking setup I have >>> ever had, though my Brompton is a close second. I have tried almost >>> everything to get the brakes to work, new cables, new housing, new salmon >>> pads, brass ferrules. The only thing I haven't tried is machined sidewall >>> rims which cyclist1959 suggested above. I think the solution for me is a >>> new frame with V brakes. >>> >>> Eric said it best "Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept." >>> I agree 100%. >>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I've found that rims with machined sidewalls (Velocity Dyads and >>>> Quills) provide much better breaking than rims that do not have machined >>>> sidewalls (VO Voyagers, Grand Bois Papillon). FWIW. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 6:22:21 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Again, thanks to everyone who chimed in on this thread. I actually >>>>> particularly love when people start talking about their own >>>>> situations/solutions, even if they don't apply to me...just because they >>>>> don't apply now doesn't mean they never will. >>>>> >>>>> Semi-resolution of my original question... >>>>> >>>>> I went ahead and ripped off the tape, installed Sliver2 shifters/pods, >>>>> new housing and cables, retaped and retwined... >>>>> [image: sambars.jpg] >>>>> >>>>> I definitely see some little mistakes in the wrap, but this is my >>>>> first attempt at a drop bar and I'm pleased as punch. I might redo the >>>>> drive side tape before I shellac (there are two little gaps on the inside >>>>> drop and I have the tiniest bit of bar showing under the hood. I also >>>>> think >>>>> that dark blue is THE move on this sage green bike. I hated undoing Mark's >>>>> work, but I think for my first time doing it, it went as well as it could >>>>> have. Pro tip...if you're not buying the hemp twine Rivendell sells to >>>>> finish your bar tape, throw away your current twine and order some. Night >>>>> and day difference in quality and uniformity of thickness on the twine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So...did it make a difference in braking? >>>>> While I'm still a far cry from the power of V-brakes, I think new >>>>> cables/housing and freshly set up brakes gave me a little more grab on my >>>>> ride this morning. I did carefully decrease the pad/rim distance gap to >>>>> about 1/8" and things are definitely feeling sungger/more secure. I'm >>>>> still >>>>> going to replace the Kool Stop with the Yokozuna salmons, though. The kind >>>>> of riding I generally do with this bike requires VERY little braking power >>>>> in the first place. If I were going to make this a daily commuter, I'd >>>>> probably go searching for some Paul's or even try the VO Grand Cru. >>>>> But...I >>>>> have a daily commuter that stops on a dime. >>>>> >>>>> At the end of the day, maybe the changes I made gave me a marginal >>>>> improvement. Even if so, I have the satisfaction of doing this kind of >>>>> work >>>>> on a bike for the first time and the peace of mind knowing that my housing >>>>> and cables are fresh...and that ain't nothing! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again for all your thoughts and feedback! >>>>> >>>>> Ben in Omaha >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 6:29 AM ascpgh <asc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not of the reach of your Sam but my Rambouillet was considered to be >>>>>> a pretty far reach bike, specified for the longest reach caliper out >>>>>> there >>>>>> at the time which was a non-group Shimano part. They were fine and I >>>>>> replaced stock pads with something similar when necessary but I was >>>>>> alarmed >>>>>> by a long descent in pouring rain that came up during a local charity >>>>>> ride. >>>>>> It was like there was no braking at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> I went beyond different pads and got a set of Paul Racer center pulls >>>>>> center mount version with the salmon pads and all is well. I have to >>>>>> admit >>>>>> I was in the market for more clearance around the tires so I could better >>>>>> size fenders to cover the 32mm tires that I found made the bike handle >>>>>> its >>>>>> best. Midlife crisis for my Ram: new calipers, 32mm RH EL tires and >>>>>> fenders >>>>>> that covered them with adequate clearance and didn't rattle during >>>>>> braking. >>>>>> >>>>>> I didn't undo the bars either, just modified the housing run and stop >>>>>> at the seat tube lug and replaced the cable. There's some Rambouillet in >>>>>> the Sam's blood. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy Cheatham >>>>>> Pittsburgh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good morning! >>>>>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion >>>>>>> different reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I >>>>>>> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel >>>>>>> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up >>>>>>> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just >>>>>>> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual >>>>>>> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and >>>>>>> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> not enough force gets transferred into the pads. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up >>>>>>> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that >>>>>>> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they >>>>>>> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of >>>>>>> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a >>>>>>> little >>>>>>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any and all thoughts! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben in Omaha >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9fba8402-e50d-4ffc-95af-cafeca8afe4en%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9fba8402-e50d-4ffc-95af-cafeca8afe4en%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aaa58c28-2cd0-46af-b673-160632dc9fafn%40googlegroups.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/aaa58c28-2cd0-46af-b673-160632dc9fafn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/790a6177-5fdc-421d-b852-27b5e7ceaff0n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/790a6177-5fdc-421d-b852-27b5e7ceaff0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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