Riv has changed their sizing on these (and other) frames over the years. 
This looks to be the first gen Sam because the headtube is solid orange - 
not cream accent. Meaning, the 60cm frame is quite a bit bigger than the 
current 58cm frame. Unless I'm mistaken, it would correlate more closely to 
the now 62cm frame.

I owned a 2009 60cm frame  (solid orange, no cream accent) and found it too 
big (long). In retrospect the 56cm (next size down) would have been 
perfect. I "know" this, because I now ride a 58cm Sam (roughly the "same" 
size of the old 56) that is "perfect".



On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 7:52:04 AM UTC-8 MoVelo wrote:

> Ahmed
>
> Your Hillborne looks great. I am in the market for one but in a larger 
> size. If your's was a 58 I'd be all over it.
>
> I do see there is a 60cm on Ebay with a starting bid of $2200.00. I am a 
> little confused about that size tho as the chart I have shows a 58 and then 
> a 62. I confess I haven't been following the Sams as closely as some on 
> this list have, and so I don't have a good grasp on the heritage. Rivendell 
> does seem to refine the bikes as the years go on. I noticed the current 
> generation as shown on their website has different seat stay connections as 
> yours. 
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/165308900740?hash=item267d2da584:g:qd4AAOSwF0Vh9upF
>
> You might follow it to see where the bidding ends up to get an idea of 
> what they bring there. 
>
> Good luck.
>
> JP in Central NE
>
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-6 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> I hope you find a buyer, Ahmed. 
>> I hope folks realize that the Hillborne was sort of the bike that started 
>> the whole modern era of Rivendells, as I don't feel like the Hillborne gets 
>> as much regard as the newer, evolved models. The Bomba came first as a 6 
>> degree upsloping tubed bike, but the Hillborne was the first of the Taiwan 
>> expanded geometry bicycles that have come to exemplify Rivendell (this is 
>> according to my fuzzy memory). It was meant to be a do all, beat it up, 
>> ride it like crazy, never repaint it (I recall grant saying he hoped nobody 
>> would ever repaint one), and pass it down to your children bike. I honestly 
>> think anyone looking for a Riv and fits this 55cm Hillborne couldn't find a 
>> better bicycle. I have had a super secret 56cm double TT Waterford 
>> Hillborne since 2011 and it is a never sell for me. It was my primary 
>> touring bicycle for a number of years, also commuter, shopper, and do all 
>> bicycle. It can use drops or uprights. Folks seem to want a Riv mixte or 
>> droptube, and I have had both and sold them both because I never actually 
>> used the lower tube for stepping "in" to the bicycle, I still throw my leg 
>> over, and with the expanded geometry of the Hillborne, you don't have to 
>> worry about standover anyway.
>> Also, and this is again only my experience, I never got along with the 
>> long wheelbase that the newer Riv's have. I much prefer the ride of my old 
>> style Atlantis, Hillborne, and Simpleone. 
>> I hope this helps anyone on the fence. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 11:10:33 PM UTC-6 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Chris!!! 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 7:20 PM Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahmed 
>>>>
>>>> The Sam is a very nice build and color - just one size too small for 
>>>> me. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 1:06:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PRICE DROP. I got absolutely no response at all so......... guess I am 
>>>>> too high? OR No one wants a Hillborne these days? Make a reasonable 
>>>>> offer. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahmed in San Mateo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 29, 2022 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-8 Ahmed Elgasseir 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's try this again
>>>>>> For Sale my 55cm Hillborne. Purchased in 2019 from Riv. Velocity 
>>>>>> Atlas 700c, Silver cranks and MKS pedals, Berthoud saddle, Nitto 
>>>>>> seatpost 
>>>>>> and Nitto Dirtdrop stem, Crust/Nitto dropbars plus Brooks bartape with 
>>>>>> stem 
>>>>>> shifter. Nitto front rack with Wald big basket. Only about 1k miles on 
>>>>>> it. 
>>>>>> Selling to thin the herd and make room for another build. $2900 and 
>>>>>> prefer 
>>>>>> local only. Would love to sell it here before I put it up on Craigslist. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> Ahmed in San Mateo, CA
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