Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  

I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the shoes 
I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would not 
necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
"supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 ..... a little better but 
still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's...... ahhh ...... sweeeeet spot of 
both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day .... 
soo-play ... soo-play ! 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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