I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my 57cm prototype.
I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel at the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less than 2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true rims. And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though they brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is nearly too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft as you pull. Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just noticeably. Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe G-One Allround). I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's how my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before that pull point regardless). I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the pressure and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know (or want). *Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars and linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers and a stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like the Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that (plus some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead *(I have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now). Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be offset by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull v-brake arms even more cumbersome. Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from the long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker, just feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm smooth basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies). Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful changes (that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on the prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant for upright bars and standard linear pull v-brakes I bet they'd have had an easy decision to stick with canti-posts, but for a bike meant for drop bars I can see why they went the other way. On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 04:10:50 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote: > Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the canti > posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it. > > On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote: > >> I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one >> already! I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear >> that in mind >> >> >> https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/ >> >> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote: >> >>> >>> I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I >>> enjoyed running Billie bars on mine. >>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end >>>> makes a world of a difference for climbing, I find! >>>> >>>> Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross >>>> bars feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops or >>>> moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a bit differently than intended too. >>>> I've put a used dynamo front wheel on and am embracing the mismatched >>>> wheels. Here's a pic of it on my way to donate some excess tires and parts >>>> to the local non-profit bike shop today. No plans to change a thing! I'll >>>> put some RH Barlow Pass endurance on eventually, but I want to wear these >>>> out first >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pancake <abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Here's my 57cm prototype Charlie update and build: >>>>> >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/DUpFlP27OE4/m/HZb6bU5XBAAJ >>>>> [image: IMG_3522.jpg][image: IMG_3550.jpg][image: IMG_3551.jpg][image: >>>>> IMG_3556.jpg] >>>>> More pics here: https://imgur.com/a/RiI8NN4 >>>>> >>>>> My friend caught this 57cm Charlie prototype for me a few weeks ago - >>>>> my ideal Riv since I want v-brakes (that my Sam and Cheviot lack). Sadly, >>>>> this will end up replacing my Sam, but what a replacement! Vs. Sam: No >>>>> more >>>>> toe clip overlap, more chainstay length, climbs better (this surprised >>>>> me), >>>>> and more comfortable (for me at least). >>>>> >>>>> I swapped nearly everything from my Hillborne onto the Charlie (and >>>>> vice versa): >>>>> Frame - Charlie H Gallop 57cm prototype with canti posts >>>>> Wheelset - VO Voyager rims, DT Swiss Competition (double butted) >>>>> spokes, SP (Shutter Precision) PV-8 dynamo hub in front, Bitex rear hub, >>>>> Salsa skewers >>>>> Stem - Nitto technomic 70mm (IIRC) >>>>> Handlebars – Soma Portola (52cm wide at bar ends, 48cm at hoods) >>>>> Brake levers – TRP RRL >>>>> Brakes - rear CX70 canti, front Shimano BR-R353 (will replace with >>>>> Tektro 926al which has 85mm arms vs 90mm on the Shimanos ... they work >>>>> well >>>>> but the levers don't quite pull enough to feel right with the long arms). >>>>> Koolstop e-brake pads in front. >>>>> Handlbar tape - will replace random rainbow stuff with Newbaums some >>>>> day. >>>>> Seatpost - Nitto S83 >>>>> Seat - Brooks Flyer (but may replace with B17s or C19) >>>>> Crankset - Sugino clipper triple 26/36/46 ... will replace with VO >>>>> 46/30 double >>>>> Cassette – Suntour 11-40t 9 speed >>>>> Front derailleur – Riv put on a Blue Line, it is JUST enough range to >>>>> shift to the tallest chainring, but only just. >>>>> Rear derailer - nexus rapid rise, it doesn't have quite enough spring >>>>> tension with this setup to keep from skipping under hard pedaling, I'll >>>>> try >>>>> the XT rapid rise and hope that works better like it did on the Sam. >>>>> Pedals – Kona Wah Wah - 118mm x 120mm >>>>> Tires – Schwalbe G-One Allround 700 x 50mm >>>>> Lights - IQ-XS in front and Secula in back >>>>> >>>>> Abe >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 19:57:32 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had the same issue with the stem but didn't attribute it to being a >>>>>> prototype. I can't use taller stems at all because they just don't go >>>>>> down >>>>>> deep enough. Is that not the case with standard Riv's? >>>>>> >>>>>> I used Billie's and really enjoyed it. It's clear that the frame was >>>>>> built for sweptbacks. >>>>>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:38:28 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Update - put on the Albatross bars. One kind of annoying nuance to >>>>>>> this prototype frame is that they didn't ream the steerer as deep as >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> do for their production bikes, so I can't get the stem quite as low as >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> wanted, but it's close enough that it doesn't warrant buying a new >>>>>>> stem. >>>>>>> That said, I am actually quite floored by how much the Albatross >>>>>>> brought >>>>>>> this bike to life for what I want from it. I've run these bars on a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> bikes but this is the best they've felt on any bike for me. It's >>>>>>> feeling >>>>>>> very right to me now. I know it's meant to be a roadish bike but I'd >>>>>>> sooner >>>>>>> put drops on a Homer or Hillborne; to me this bike suits the Albatross >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> perfectly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, 15 February 2022 at 19:46:08 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Photo from today's lunchtime loop. I will be performing a bar/stem >>>>>>>> swap between this bike and the Bombadil (which is 11cm Tallux and >>>>>>>> Albatross) as well as cabling etc, then I believe the bike is "done" >>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>> bit. Oh, and a cheap dynamo front wheel because a commuter must have >>>>>>>> dynamo >>>>>>>> in my books. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As much as I would not pick these tires for myself, I must admit >>>>>>>> they're pretty well suited to my needs (daily commuting and general >>>>>>>> getting >>>>>>>> around on pavement and hardpack paths) so I am going to do my best to >>>>>>>> leave >>>>>>>> them well enough alone. I was quite pleased to see they clear the VO >>>>>>>> Zeppelin fenders with plenty of room despite being at the top end of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fitment range. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone tried shellac'ing over the padded Newbaums? Yay or nay? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20220215_222746275.jpg] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 10:11:31 UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Very cool, thank ya both! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:32:32 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At that point I really think it comes down to builds. A SH built >>>>>>>>>> up lightish could feel much more nimble and quick than a Gallop with >>>>>>>>>> full >>>>>>>>>> racks, fenders, heavy tires etc. I agree with Jason that built the >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>> they would likely feel pretty similar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:22:18 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can't offer a very good A-B comparison based on their setups, >>>>>>>>>>> though they've both been set up with the Wavie bar at one point or >>>>>>>>>>> another, >>>>>>>>>>> but my feel so far is that they're not too different from one >>>>>>>>>>> another - I >>>>>>>>>>> noticed from the attached engineering drawings that the tubing is >>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>> similar spec, though a bit more flex built into the Charlie, and >>>>>>>>>>> the angles >>>>>>>>>>> are similar also (some math required on the CHG but it's HTA 71 / >>>>>>>>>>> 71.5 >>>>>>>>>>> STA). They both seem to possess that 'surprisingly quick >>>>>>>>>>> considering it's >>>>>>>>>>> so comfortable' quality, but my belief is that it would be marginal >>>>>>>>>>> gains >>>>>>>>>>> at best going from a Sam to a CHG in terms of speed, with the same >>>>>>>>>>> setup. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:48 AM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gallop riders – Does anyone have a take on the Gallop in >>>>>>>>>>>> contrast to an unloaded Hillborne with drops? I know Jason has a >>>>>>>>>>>> Hillborne >>>>>>>>>>>> but racked and fendered. Curious how they compare :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:31:56 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Killer! I can't wait to see it. Make sure to post it up here >>>>>>>>>>>>> when its done. The extra few mm of height on those mini-v's >>>>>>>>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect. I have the Box mini's and they cleared a real world 48mm >>>>>>>>>>>>> tire with >>>>>>>>>>>>> just a touch of clearance. The extra bit of height should allow >>>>>>>>>>>>> you to >>>>>>>>>>>>> clear 50's. I plan to move to Rivendell V's when they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> available only >>>>>>>>>>>>> because I love the way they are looking from the early drawings >>>>>>>>>>>>> and such. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:17:25 AM UTC-5 Pancake >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johny: yes, my friend was quick on the draw and got it for me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because they knew it was my ideal version of a Charlie - gotta >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have those >>>>>>>>>>>>>> canti/v-brake posts. It’ll end up replacing my Sam Hillborne. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now Charlie’s sitting (ironically with no saddle) in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> garage waiting for a few quick changes (replace the C15 narrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saddle with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Flyer imperial, add a rack and basket) before getting some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commuter duty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a nice long ride next weekend… then more tinkering and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow like: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> • Mini v-brakes (likely Shimano BR R353 with 90mm arch, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> taller than the Box Two or Three 85mm mini v’s), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> • Swapping for my Hillborne’s wheelset (first wheels I built) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with G-One Allround 50mm tires >>>>>>>>>>>>>> • Dynamo lights, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> • 46/30t double crankset to a 11-40t cassette (which may >>>>>>>>>>>>>> require a wolftooth-like hanger extender), and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> • Kona Wah Wah pedals. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I just need some spare time for wrenching … but I’ll >>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably spend that time riding my daughters around in the Rosco >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baby bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. The highest form of productive procrastination. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 11 February 2022 at 16:51:41 UTC-8 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pancake, so you got the third Gallop V1 prototype? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 7:18:18 PM UTC-5 Pancake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drop bar Sam checking in per David's request/comment ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon to be replaced by another Proto Charlie (photos of that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orange 57cm to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come later). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_3134.JPG] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_7170.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c76ba657-1a75-47ac-8c8d-753a07704a5dn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c76ba657-1a75-47ac-8c8d-753a07704a5dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b907f7e-dad5-499b-853f-70db49af81e0n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1b907f7e-dad5-499b-853f-70db49af81e0n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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