+1 on the combination of King Cage Iris with Kleen Kanteen. I use this for 
gravel and MTB riding and haven't been bothered by rattling.

Another advantage of stainless steel is that you can use the bottles to 
boil water on a fire to make it safer for drinking if need be. Probably not 
something you would want to do regularly, but I have done it occasionally.

Cheers,
Johnny

On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 16:37:22 UTC+2 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> @ Andrew,
>
> Thanks for sharing.  We will be checking out the Bivo.  Their cap and 
> (gravity) flow rate looks ideal (ex-NASA developed!).  Will be on the 
> lookout for their insulated model, hopefully soon.
>
> We continue to use Hydroflask models, but the flow rate out of their 
> specific mouthpiece is just so-so.  Plus, cleaning the inside of their cap 
> can be concerning, lots of nooks and crannies.  
>
> @ Miles: we too use King Cages (with above stainless steel Hydroflasks).  
> We've found the King Cage 'Iris' model cage to hold a naked stainless 
> container a little better vs. King's  (we've used both models of King 
> Cages).  The amount of friction between the two King Cages is clearly 
> evident.  Granted, we were *not *using this specific combo off-road 
> though.
>
> While off-road we used the large wide-mouth Hydroflask (40 ounce - 1.18 
> liter) insulated container with a BBB XL Fueltank cage + Voile strap.  This 
> combo was extremely secure in all kinds of rough terrain (it never ejected 
> off the bike).  It obviously removes the possibility and ease of drinking 
> while riding a bike though.  It was simply a way to carry a decent amount 
> of water securely while cyclotouring/bikepacking.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
> Claremont, CA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 3:12:48 PM UTC-7 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I came across this company a couple weeks ago and bought 2, and thought 
>> I'd share.
>> https://drinkbivo.com/  <https://drinkbivo.com/> 
>>
>> I've used both plastic (Purist) and stainless (Klean Kanteen) bottles in 
>> the past but the Purist inevitably get funky, leaves an aftertaste despite 
>> the hype, and will eventually get tossed. Kleans are great but not as 
>> optimized for cycling as Bivo's product. I highly recommend trying them 
>> out, especially if you haven't tried stainless. This came off really ady so 
>> I apologize for that but plastic sucks...that being said, it looks like 
>> some biodegradable options are popping up which is great. (But stainless 
>> tastes so gooood) OK I'M DONE, PROMISE! 
>>
>> Andrew
>
>

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