It's 83.5. And I'm running a 170 crank. I believe mine is a 2019 or 20 
frame so should be the current model.

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:05:57 AM UTC-6 alltheworl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks to you both! @lugwork, Is that an old chart? The sizes are not what 
> Riv is currently offering on the Sam. 
>
> Lance, thanks for the info. Out of curiosity: what's your saddle height 
> (center of BB to top of saddle) in that pic?
>
> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:15:55 AM UTC-5 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have one of the new frames, 60. I did some quick measuring and came up 
>> with:
>> Standover with 38 gravel kings is 91mm toward the front and 87mm just 
>> ahead of the seat. The top tube measures on a level line back from the 
>> headset to the seat post, center to center, 61mm. Mine is set up with 
>> noodles and a tallux, 80mm, and have plenty of height. below is the setup, 
>> quick basement pic. I'm a 94pbh with a 36" inseam. Hope this helps a 
>> little. Feel free to ask any other specific questions. thought this would 
>> get you started. Not sure where you live but if it's anywhere near Denver 
>> you'd be welcome to come check it out.
>> Lance
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 9:17:06 AM UTC-6 lug...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> have a look at this chart.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 11:01:44 AM UTC-4 alltheworl...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a current model 60cm Sam Hillborne they can measure? 
>>>> I'm looking for effective top tube (c-c) and stand over height with 42ish 
>>>> mm tires. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to figure out sizing for current model Sams. I believe I'm 
>>>> right on the edge of sizing with a 89cm PBH/78cm saddle height. For 
>>>> reference, I'm 5-10, so long legs for my height. I called Riv and they 
>>>> said 
>>>> I could kind of go either 57 or 60, but (perhaps predictably!) thought I 
>>>> should size up. 
>>>>
>>>> Despite that advice to size up, I'm thinking the 57 might be better for 
>>>> me, as it would give more crotch clearance and intuitively better 
>>>> proportions in the top tube for someone with long legs for their height. 
>>>> For the record,  I'd like the ability to run drop bars, and would want 
>>>> them 
>>>> ideally above my saddle height. 
>>>>
>>>> Am I thinking straight here about sizing down? Any thoughts from other 
>>>> long-legged Sam owners? How high can you get drop bars on a tallux on a 
>>>> 57cm Sam?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>

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