>From what I remember reading, the Billie is recommended to use with a 
faceplate stem. The Technomic has a lot of flex. I’m running the Jim on 
mine with Bosco bars and the flex is not bad, just enough to take the sting 
out of things. Definitely recommend trying a cheap one and getting 
something nicer when they show up, hopefully soon…

I’m waiting for a 135 Faceplater to replace my 100 Jim. And also maybe 
waiting for the Billie to be able to stretch out more.  Hopefully parts 
become more available again one day!

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 7:30:52 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> Of course, the Jim stem is sold out. Anyone have a 120mm Jim Stem for 
> sale? I might get a cheapo off Ebay and see if that works then buyer a 
> nicer one later. I will do the headset test as well. I've had an 
> experienced mechanic set-up the headset so I'm pretty confident that it is 
> not the problem. 
>
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:15:26 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Daniel wrote: "I was thinking the Jim stem with the double bolt and 
>> uprise angle might solve the problem. Thoughts?"
>>
>> I would think it would make a big improvement. The Billie bars are still 
>> wide bars with a fair amount of flex but moving to a stem like that made a 
>> big difference for me when I did it. I agree the amount of flex with my 
>> original Billie/Nitto tech setup was excessive.
>>
>> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:10:22 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> While not as aesthetically pleasing, you could try a threadless to quill 
>>> stem adapter and see if running a threadless stem with a wider clamping 
>>> area will fix your issue.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 9:30 AM James Valiensi <jpval...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> If the handlebar clamp on the stem is too loose the bars will slip and 
>>>> rotate in it. The bolt needs to be really tight.
>>>> You can tell if the headset is loose with this method:
>>>> 1. stand in front of the bike
>>>> 2. wrap one o your hands around the top nut, stem and top of the head 
>>>> tube
>>>> 3. hold the front brake lever realy hard with the other hand
>>>> 4. push the bike back and forth a bit
>>>> 5. if the headset is loose you will feel the differ parts moving under 
>>>> the hand that is wrapped around the headset
>>>>
>>>> Some of the longer bars are flexible. I have a Losco and it is so 
>>>> flexible that I quit using it.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2022, at 4:51 AM, Daniel MacPherson <macphe...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Everyone,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m having issues with my handlebar set-up. I’m running Nitto Technomic 
>>>> stem with Billie bars. The Billie bars are 25.4. The Nitto stem is 26.0. 
>>>> I’m using a problem solvers shim to fit the bars properly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I get a lot of flex in the Billie bars when I apply any weight 
>>>> to the bars. I’ve applied a lot of torque to the nut on the stem and it 
>>>> helps a bit but doesn’t solve the issue. I’m worried it might be the 
>>>> headset; however the headset appears tight and smooth. Have you guys 
>>>> experienced similar issues? Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel MacPherson
>>>>
>>>> Tallahassee Florida
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:06:16 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good to know Daniel! I have the stock DXR pads on for now. Only have 
>>>>> 100 miles or so and I still have no grind or squeal. Something I have 
>>>>> been 
>>>>> annoyed with since going to disc brakes 15 or so years back. 
>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads 
>>>>>> just now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
>>>>>> screech. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't 
>>>>>>> my first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I 
>>>>>>> asked about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will 
>>>>>>> prob 
>>>>>>> be a free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything 
>>>>>>> sorted 
>>>>>>> out. I have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had 
>>>>>>> any problems with them squealing before. There must be something about 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in 
>>>>>>>> salmon, for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great 
>>>>>>>>> pads but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can 
>>>>>>>>> require 
>>>>>>>>> such ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 
>>>>>>>>> 1000 
>>>>>>>>> miles. One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the 
>>>>>>>>> pads 
>>>>>>>>> themselves with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one 
>>>>>>>>> or the 
>>>>>>>>> other. Both, in that order.
>>>>>>>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with 
>>>>>>>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is 
>>>>>>>>> far 
>>>>>>>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>>>>>>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I 
>>>>>>>>> could tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>>>>>>>
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