Good points. My initial SON 28 was for my commuter that sees it all. I'd be embarrassed to show a picture of it now after last week's wet commutes, but that's what's proven to be the thing with the SON, it just keeps working. Long ago I learned from reading Jobst Brandt to use the best parts to build your wheels. Never easy to replace a part of a built wheel. I learned the expense of a wheel part failure with aluminum nipples.
Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:12:27 AM UTC-4 Will M wrote: > Jason, > > The best data I've found for objectively comparing output power and drag > of different dynamo hubs across a range of speeds is here. > https://www.cyclingabout.com/dynamo-hub-power-drag-testing-schmidt-son-shutter-precision-shimano/ > > I live car-free in an east-coast city. Due to probability of theft, I > went with less expensive 6V-3W Shimano dynohubs on my VO commuter bike and > my Yuba extended-wheelbase cargo bike. I had Cygolites in the past, but > discovered the elegance of dynohub lighting -- lights are permanently > mounted (theft prevention) and they always work (nothing to recharge). > Less hassle. > > To reduce zipties and wires, on my Quickbeam I went with this 6V-2.4W > Shimano dynamo hub > <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/51842192083/in/album-72177720296206290/> > > which powers only a front light (this battery-powered rear light > <https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/51841140277/in/album-72177720296206290/> > > on the fender). If I were to do it again, I'd go with a 6V-3W hub with > rear wiring using this elegant approach proposed by Igor at VO > <https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2019/10/petes-dynamo-polyvalent-with-shimano.html> > . > > The "gotcha" with the Shimano dynamo hubs is that the wire connector cap > and cover > <https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=51235> > is neither waterproof nor robust. I've lost lights in more than 1 rain > storm. The connector cap has torn off more than once in normal riding. > When I think about the value of one's time -- and the time spent > maintaining the connector -- it starts to seem myopic not going with the > SON. :-) > > You asked about rims and spokes. There are so many dynamo hub options out > there (disc brake vs. rim brake; 32h vs. 36h vs. XXh; black vs. silver; > etc. etc.), so you can get whatever you want/need. I saved a ton of money > trolling eBay remembering what Grant wrote in a Riv Reader more than a > decade ago: "Mismatched rims are cool." > > Cheers, > Will M > NYC > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 10:38:30 AM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote: > >> Speaking as someone with a few SON28 wheels, and the type of riding you >> described, I'd suggest considering a $30 Paul Gino mount and a few $35 >> Cygolite lights a go before investing $500+ on a SON28 and Edelux headlight >> (not including the cost for the cox-axial connector, rim, rim tape, spokes, >> and nipples). But, I totally get it, Dyno hubs are awesome! Personally, I >> hate having to look at the wiring and zip ties. >> >> Best >> Scott >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 9:09:10 AM UTC-4 peec...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> I have Velogical dynamo on my Sam Hillborne. Love its elegance and the >>> fact that I didn't have to change my front wheel and hub when I wanted to >>> add dynamo lighting. One other con to consider is the potential for >>> slipping when riding in wet conditions. The Velogical has provided >>> adequate light even when wet however. Tim Petersen >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 10:19:02 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote: >>> >>>> Jason: >>>> >>>> You’ll hear many opinions—good luck sifting through the advice you will >>>> get! >>>> >>>> I have both SON and Shutter Precision hubs and have not had any issues >>>> with either. My SONs have ranged from the old-style type with flanges >>>> pressed onto a center piece to the modern (and very pretty) type. I have >>>> several variations of the SP hubs on various bikes. >>>> >>>> If money is no object, definitely go with SON, if only because they’re >>>> so darn pretty. SP will perform just as well—I have not experienced the >>>> “roughness” that one other respondent reported. >>>> >>>> Based on what I’ve read about SON and their weather sealing, the >>>> biggest advantage that I know of is that they are pressure compensated; SP >>>> hubs are not. That means that if you go from a warm, dry environment >>>> directly into a cold and dry one, the SON hubs won’t draw in moisture as >>>> the air inside the hub cools. SP hubs might, but for this to be a problem, >>>> you would have to roll right out into a cold downpour. That’s an edge case >>>> for me and something that has never been a problem. >>>> >>>> Finally … Have you considered the Velogical dynamo? I have one on an >>>> Alex Singer, and it’s great. Pros: Cheaper than a dyno hub and wheel, very >>>> low draw, ZERO drag in the “off” position, great German engineering, works >>>> with any wheel. Cons: Sits outside on the frame, where it might be subject >>>> to damage (not a problem for me in several years of use), makes a quiet >>>> whirring noise when running, requires a small clamp to attach to the frame. >>>> >>>> --Eric Norris >>>> campyo...@me.com >>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2022, at 11:59 PM, Jason Glenn <jkg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, all, >>>> >>>> I've never had a bike with a dyno hub but rode one a few months back -- >>>> thanks, Max! -- and have decided to build up a wheel -- my first wheel >>>> build, too -- with one for an Atlantis. I know the Son 28 is the go to, >>>> and I could be convinced to use one, but I'm working on a limited budget >>>> and am wondering what people think about the alternatives out there. My >>>> main use for the Atlantis, at least at the moment, will be commuting, >>>> running erands, etc., but I'm trying to bike as my principle form of >>>> transportation (in Los Angeles) and will be riding in the evenings and >>>> early mornings with some regularity. Down the road, I would like to do >>>> some touring on it. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'm interested in any and all suggestions/perspectives. >>>> >>>> Thanks, in advance, >>>> jason >>>> >>>> P.s. 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