JJ thanks for sharing your experiences across several RR mechs, that's a lot of sampling. Sounds like you've found cage movement that works for you! Dig the pic as well, thank you. I agree the red decal is a bit much. Perhaps I'll scrape it off.
Johnny, thanks for the link, that is an in-depth look at derailers I'd kind of forgotten about. It's a long one so here are some tidbits about cost and arrival, which I'm sure will change: *6. How much will it cost?* a. We don't know. Ideally we'll have a fancy first model, the SILVER OM-1; and then cheaper other models, maybe OM-2, OM-3. Maybe $300 for a fancy, and $30 for a plain? We have zero idea, but a derailer too expensive to buy is no fun and misses the point; and a super cheap derailer that doesn't account for the cost of developing and making it is ... not gonna happen. We'll just see. *11. When?* a. We're hoping the fancy by Spring 2023, and the plain by Fall 2023. On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:00:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: > Riv is indeed making different tiers. I believe Grant said he wanted the > top level to be around $300 but a plain jane low level version for > something like $30. > > > https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/late-may-silver-is-a-bugger-and-the-last-good-looking-rear-derailer > > On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 7:40:55 PM UTC-4 J J wrote: > >> I've been exclusively running low normal for a few years. Here's a pic of >> the XT M770 on my Hunqapillar. When I first started using Rapid Rise I had >> a few muscle memory misfires (getting the opposite of what I wanted when I >> moved the shift lever). It lasted a couple of weeks, but then it was like a >> flipping a switch in my brain and motor coordination. The logic just made >> so much sense, especially the consistency in left and right shifting, >> easier in one direction, harder in the other, on both sides. I run them >> with friction shifters only. It's like second nature. >> >> I've tried XTR 970, 960, 950 series, LX and Deore models, and XT 760 and >> 770. I sold a few of my still-too-large hoard of Rapid Rise on this forum. >> Never tried the Nexave. All of them felt good, the only differences being >> the typical Shimano hierarchical group gradations in materials, design, >> refinement, weight, etc. I don't see myself going back to high normal >> shifting. I've gotten rid of (almost) all of my high normal mechs. >> >> I have never experienced the issues that Eric (Norris) mentioned about >> low normal RDs not functioning well if they get mucked up. I maintain them >> no differently than how I ever treated high normal RDs. I've recently been >> riding in particularly wet and mucky conditions. It's as much of an issue >> as it is for high normal, which is to say, it has been a nonissue in my >> experience. There are probably numerous reasons Rapid Rise didn't succeed >> in the market. But common declarations about their supposed poor >> functionality for xyz reasons do not align with my experiences at all (and >> I can only talk to my own experiences). They're not harder (or easier) to >> set up than high normal. They index no worse (or better) than high normal. >> They're no less (or more) robust than high normal. >> >> Some purists thumb their noses at the overwrought design of the 770 and >> 970, the black Deore, and others. Not silver enough, not polished enough, >> too much paint, too flashy, etc. I think they look cool. And I will take >> the functionality of these with their ostensibly dowdier looks *anytime* >> over not using Rapid Rise because they're insufficiently attractive. I >> don't typically ogle my RDs while I'm riding :) The silvery Nexave looks >> great, though the red Megarange is a bit jarring to my eyes. I'm sure it >> functions as wonderfully as all the other Rapid Rise models and I'd jump on >> it if I found one for $17! >> >> I'm stoked about Rivendell's upcoming version. Thank goodness Grant and >> crew have enough gumption, principle, will, and sheer obstinacy to carry >> through on the project. It's only speculation, but I suspect Riv's derailer >> will be pretty pricey. NOS XT and XTR Rapid rise are increasingly rare, and >> $200 to $500 prices are not unusual on eBay, craigslist, and in independent >> bike shops that happen to have stock here and there. Used ones in great >> condition also fetch a lot of $$. I would not be surprised if Riv's is >> within that range. Maybe Riv will produce different tiers? Fingers crossed >> that they will see the light of day asap. Whatever price it ends up being, >> I'll try to be the first in line for one. >> >> >> [image: xt rapid rise.jpeg] >> >> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 4:09:31 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote: >> >>> Path Less Pedaled just did an entire video episode on Rapid Rise/Low >>> Normal derailleurs that’s definitely worth watching. >>> >>> One point that came up in the comments from viewers is that shifting to >>> lower gears is done entirely through the strength of the spring in the >>> derailleur. Move the shifter to release more cable, and the *spring* pushes >>> the chain onto a larger cog. In practice, according to people who had used >>> RR/LN extensively, was that normal stuff that happens to derailleurs (they >>> get dirty or muddy, or need lubrication) makes that spring’s job harder, >>> with the result that it doesn’t work as well. >>> >>> Shifting to a larger cog also benefits from a slight decrease in >>> pedaling pressure while shifting (again, to make the spring’s job easier). >>> That’s not always possible when you’re grinding up a steep incline and need >>> to grab a lower gear. This may be part of the reason why RR/LN was phased >>> out … along with the fact that it was “different” in an industry that >>> mostly prizes conformity. >>> >>> Full disclosure: I’ve never used a RR/LN setup, although I do ride >>> almost exclusively with friction-shifting downtube levers. >>> >>> --Eric Norris >>> campyo...@me.com >>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Do you run a Rapid Rise derailer? Do you like it? Have you had one >>> before and just didn't get it? What's the *deal?* >>> >>> With all the commotion over Rivendell's plan to build their own >>> production low-normal derailer I figured I'd try one out for myself. The >>> first one I picked up was an XTR RD-M951 which I suspected had a bent >>> pulley cage, some of you may remember I posted about this mech a few weeks >>> ago. >>> >>> I found this Nexave on eBay for $17 so figured I'd give it a shot. This >>> model, to my mind, is *the* classic rapid rise derailer. Silver, shiny, >>> long cage, external guide pulley, pivoting cable guide for a short bit of >>> housing over the rear dropout. Grant mentioned that this was his favorite >>> model, cosmetically. I like it, too. >>> >>> So far I haven't put many miles on it but no complaints. I like getting >>> into the easier gears with a light touch. I'm running the derailer on my >>> Appaloosa with a Silver 38/24 crank and a 9-speed 11-36 cassette. It's >>> wired up to the original Suntour Power Thumb shifters which are mounted in >>> the reversed, under-hand style also known as the Riv-versed or Rivendell >>> brifter style. >>> >>> With the reverse-mounted shifters I did like pushing the lever away from >>> me to get an easier gear with a high-normal derailer installed. That made >>> sense. Pulling the lever to me for an easier gear is taking a bit of >>> getting used to but the action required is so light that it's not a problem >>> so far. >>> >>> Unfortunately, I haven't yet been in a situation where I'm climbing and >>> experience a mis-shift under torque resulting in the derailer bumping me to >>> an easier gear. I'm looking forward to it, really. >>> >>> One thing I can't get my head wrapped around is why Grant and Rivendell >>> want to make this happen and go through so much trouble and expense. It is >>> quite a complicated undertaking. It seems if you're into low-normal >>> derailers they're out there if you look hard enough and have some patience. >>> Perhaps it's just what they do and what they're about. They want something >>> to exist that has gone out of production, they make it so, and that is the >>> purest expression of their ethos and what they love about bikes and >>> components. "Isn't this great? 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