My extremely biased view is Rivs aren't built for heavy front loads and I 
just won't anymore, it feels unweildy and unsafe. Can it be done anyway? 
Sure. By people who aren't me. 

On Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 6:14:37 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just curious, after adjusting my Ortlieb Sports Packers to the front 
> lowriders and carrying home about 12 bulky lbs on the front of the 2020 
> Matthews which is a geometrical clone of a 2003 Riv Road custom -- Riv lost 
> the geometry chart but I think it's med trail.
>
> 10 or 12 lb makes almost no difference in handling, but it does make 
> wheeling the bike one-handed (gripping stem and adjacent bar) through the 
> aisles less easy; 20 lb does slow the handling noticeably though not 
> impossibly. ~15 evenly divided is about the max for happiness.
>
> Rear loads are more stable. 20 lb in the rear is not noticeable, 30 lb in 
> the rear affects handling less than 20 (evenly distributed) does in front, 
> and I've carried 45 with the bike still rideable. (For comparo, my best 
> rear loader was an early 1970s thinnish wall and normal gauge 531 framed 
> racing bike with long stays and shortish front-center: Motobecane Grand 
> Record. Though light and flexy, with a *very* stiff 400 gram Tubus Fly 
> this carried 45 better than any stouter-tubed road bike I've owned, 
> including any of 4 Riv road models (well, if a first-gen Sam Hill is 
> "road). Another nice rear grocery load carrier was an '80s Fuji Royale "12 
> speed" that actually handled better with 20 lb in back than it did unladen; 
> that one hated front loads.
>
> So, after that long windup, what is the benefit of front loading *on 
> Rivendell models*. Is it purely convenience?
>
> And, different question: what is the benefit of front loading on 
> *non-Rivendell 
> low-trail bikes*: convenience?
>
> Just curious and describing my own experience.
>
> -- 
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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