Hi,
I noticed that shorter stems felt better. I measured my height and I think I 
lost an inch or more (I’m 59). So, the shorter stem makes since, but my saddle 
height hasn’t changed. 
Before the pandemic my favorite bike had the bars about 4” lower than the 
saddle. At the end of the ride, it felt like I peeled my self off the bike, 
like bare legs on a vinyl seat on a hot sticky day. Durning the pandemic the 
low handlebars became too painful to ride and I started raising them. I’m much 
happier with the center of the bars about the same height as the saddle. I sit 
more upright, and as a result have much less back and neck pain. On the down 
side, I couldn’t mod my favorite bike and it is no longer used. 
Best-
James

> On Sep 25, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Kim Hetzel <krhet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> As we get older, the handlebars get higher and the gears get lower.
> 
> I used to ride in the drops for 40 years. It affected my posture a lot to the 
> point that I had to retire my favorite bike and find a different one. I 
> longed to ride upright.
> 
> At 67 years old, I now ride and feel very comfortable riding my new Clem 
> Smith Jr. "L" bicycle. 
> 
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
> 
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 6:19:11 PM UTC-7 kwi...@weimar.edu wrote:
> Yes, I used to be 6’7” tall.  At 62, I am now one inch shorter.  I have moved 
> my saddle closer to the bars.  It immediately solved my aching lower back on 
> steep climbs.
> 
> On Thursday, September 22, 2022, 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> <applewebdata://69ED65A1-0D34-4749-8871-B04108E1B713>> wrote:
>  I USED TO RIDE ON DROP BARS . ONE TIME I NOTICED I WAS RIDING ON THE TOPS 
> ONLY.  SO I CHANGED TO UP BARS ( 3 SPEED BARS ) . I HAD LOST 2-3 INCHES IN MY 
> HEIGHT.
> I NOW RIDE A SMALLER BIKE .
> Charlie Petry JENERSVILLE PA
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