I had a MUSA Homer years ago, 2005-ish or so. With a Nitto rear rack, my 
return trip from TJs with both panniers loaded displayed whippy behavior. 
OK for the short rides from the grocery store or TJs, but I would not like 
handling even for a S24H. Frame was 61 cm for your consideration. 

Mike SLO CA 
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 12:18:59 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Except that the OP is specifically asking about his Homer. Not to nit pick 
> ...😊
>
> Ryan (retired software developer/current linguistics student...so you know 
> where I'm coming from)
>
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 8:27:21 AM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>
>> I would not hesitate to tour on the Sam, although I suppose it depends on 
>> what you're carrying and how long you're going for.  I've toured on a 
>> Rambouillet and a Road Standard with a full set of panniers on weeklong 
>> trips, and it was fine.  You say "road touring," so I assume you're not 
>> planning on carrying a week's worth of food, etc. With a reasonable load, 
>> the Sam should be fine - try it and report back!
>>
>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 7:22:03 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> The AHH uses Oversized (OS) tubing (1-1/8" TT & 1-1/4" DT), which is 
>>> more rigid than Standard (Std) tubing (1" TT & 1-1/8" DT) which most of the 
>>> frames discussed are.  The extra 1/8" increased diameter results in a OS 
>>> tube having about the same rigidity as a Std tube which is thicker by 
>>> 0.2mm.   
>>>
>>> It seems the AHH uses OS tubes with butting of 0.8mm x 0.5mm x 0.8mm, 
>>> which is fairly thin tubing.   Grant never stated what tubing thickness he 
>>> uses.  This would be have the same rigidity as s Std tube of 1.0mm x 0.7mm 
>>> x 1.0mm.    IF the AHH tubing is thicker than what I stated, THEN it the 
>>> equivalent rigid Std tube would be thicker
>>>
>>>   My 1988 Schwinn Voyaguer (a full touring frame) uses Std Columbus 
>>> Tenax tubing which by everything I can find has a 1" TT of 0.9mm x 0.7mm x 
>>> 0.9mm and a 1-1/8" DT of 1.0mm x 0.7mm x 1.0mm.   So a AHH has tubing which 
>>> is as rigid as the 88 Voyageur which was sold as full touring bike.  If the 
>>> AHH tube is thicker than 8-5-8, then it is even more rigid than the 88 
>>> Voyaguer.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 10, 2022 at 12:12:05 PM UTC-4 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a question or the group.  I ride a Homer and considering using 
>>>> it for road touring.  Since its not by definition a touring Rivendell, is 
>>>> loaded touring pushing the envelope for this bike?
>>>>
>>>> thanks, 
>>>> Lyman ATX
>>>>
>>>

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