I’m using Velocity Atlas rims on my 650b Hillborne.  It mounts 48mm tires 
with ease and rides great.  I use the older synergy’s on my Saluki with no 
issues with 42mm Baby Shoe Pass tires, but putting a 48mm tire on it would 
be a lot more work if even possible. I did try a Panaracer Gravel King and 
went to a 42 for my spare Synergy rim as I had problem mounting the 48 
(arthritis in both hands so maybe it was me).  

On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 12:59:54 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Calvin! Unless you are looking to go tubeless, the Cliffhanger might 
> be a bit wide for the tire sizes you have listed. I’m running a 700x50 on 
> the Dyad and they work very well. Maybe look at the A23 if you want a more 
> road  rim that is tubeless capable. Non tubeless is the only downside to 
> the Dyad in my opinion. I think smaller than 48mm on the Cliffhanger would 
> just be too narrow of a tire for it. 
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 9:51:01 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I am thinking of building a wheelset for my Sam, and am looking for 
>> opinions & experiences of those who have used the Velocity Quills and also 
>> the Cliffhangers.  I understand the former to be a fast and nimble road-ish 
>> rim, and the latter to be a more stout trail and touring type.  I feel that 
>> the Sam could be either of these things, and am trying to decide which way 
>> to go.  
>>
>> Currently, my Sam is borrowing a set of wheels, shutter precision front 
>> hub and ultegra 9-speed rear hub (re-spaced to 135) laced to Velocity Dyad 
>> rims.  These feel fine, despite a slight bearing knock in the front hub, 
>> though I like the idea of a rim somewhat wider than the Dyad.  For tires in 
>> non-fender mode I've got 700x48, and fendered it'll have 42-44 range.
>> My hub plan for the new wheelset is a xtr M900 that I've got for the 
>> rear, and looking to get a son 28 or delux for the front.
>>
>> I'm curious about the feel & behavior of those different rims, all else 
>> being equal.  I haven't ever/yet gotten to do much side-by-side comparison 
>> of different rim styles scientifically, with all other parts being the 
>> same.  Usually my experiences with wider, stout cliffhanger-type rims is on 
>> a mountainish bike or a way stiff and heavy loaded tourer, not a zippy town 
>> and trails cruiser.  I like the idea of touring on the Sam, but 
>> realistically that would be two weeks a year, while the other 50 are town 
>> trails and country cruising.  I don't really fear the weight of the 
>> Cliffhangers, though I do appreciate the zip of a nice light rim & tire 
>> combo.  Probably can't go wrong either way, but interested in others' 
>> experiences.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Calvin
>>
>>
>>

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