Thanks, Randy. After pushing go, I reread your post and realized you were
discussing the Appaloosa. Are they a bit heavy? I've heard same about 2TT
Atlantis.
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:47:09 PM MST, larson....@gmail.com
<larson.phot...@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott,I have never ridden an Atlantis, but would love to, and believe that you
will love it. Looking forward to hearing your impressions going forward.Randy
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:41:14 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
Randy,
I'm curious, too, to get the group's take on your question as to weight vs.
ride quality, as I'm currently building a new 62 Atlantis F/F. I'm wanting to
do some dirt touring and bike packing on it. Hope I'm not in for a fat hog...
Scott
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:55:28 AM MST, larson....@gmail.com
<larson....@gmail.com> wrote:
I built up a 2TT 62cm Appaloosa in February as my first Riv, and have enjoyed
it very much. The over riding impression is that I know that this is a heavy
bike (from lifting it onto my hitch rack), but it rides lively and relatively
light, and comfortable and stable. It is hard to wrap my head around the
contradiction of the weight of the bike vs. this ride feel and seems to be one
of the defining Rivendell ride characteristics from the opinions of
others.Randy in Wisconsin
On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:32:53 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
I remember reading where Grant, or one of his long-term employees but I think
Grant, said on front end geometry handling there are a few numbers they hold to
but they don't discuss them outside the shop. Trail would be an obvious one,
but I've always thought it would be interesting to hear the rest. Jan Heine
gets into what might be some of RBW's other unspoken factors in his book on
performance bicycles.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 10:38:08 PM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
Grant's 1993 Bridgestone RB-1 had a 54mm trail with 25mm tires. The 2022
Roadini had a trail of around 58mm but with a 5mm lower BB. The Cheviot (I
can't find numbers for the Platypus) had a trail of 58mm with a 25mm tire (but
obviously few people would run 25mm tires on that bike), but even with a 33mm
tire it'll still be a 61mm trail, making the bike steer a little slower but
still agile. I had a custom bike built around the 1993 RB-1 geometry with a
lower BB, and it rides similarly great. Now when it comes to compliance,
stiffness, etc., the tubing thickness etc matters more, but in terms of
handling I think Grant has it dialed down and you can see that he pretty much
keeps all his bikes in the same zone when it comes to trail. The longer wheel
base that he's been going for recently adds alot to stability and high speed
handling at the expense of packability into bike boxes, which few care about.
If you were to buy say, a Craig Calfee carbon framed bike, it actually has a
very similar geometry too the RB-1, and rides similarly, but of course being
made out of carbon and with a short wheel base and relatively little tire
clearance chances are that bike wouldn't appeal to the same people who like
Rivendell bicycles.
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 6:09:47 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
Oh I haven't the first clue how Grant does it. There's something going on with
the numbers and tubes that makes them ride like a Harley Softail on the
straights AND a Ducati Panigale in the turns. It's bonkers!
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:51:31 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
You hit it on the head, Joe. Thanks for the thread. With all of your experience
on a gazillion bikes, what do you think accounts for “the magical Riv ride he
designs into these frames”? What makes it happen?
On Nov 16, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an edited version of an email I recently sent Grant, I wanted to post
here cuz I think the magical Riv ride he designs into these frames is slightly
under discussed..like we all know it and love it, then talk about other stuff
like paint and parts. My comments are specifically about my custom but I've
owned a bunch of Rivs and they all ride like this (Clem maybe not so
light-feeling, but still zippy). Add your thoughts about your bikes! :
The handling is amazing. It feels light and zippy, yet absorbs shock (there's a
lot of shock on these roads) and is very stable. When you put it in a turn it
goes where you point it and holds the line until you change it. It does this
when getting bumped offline, too..the darn thing pops right back to where it
was going! I've ridden a bazillion bikes and nothing rides like a Rivendell 🙌
Joe Bernard
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