For me, the Hunqapillar diagatube was a visual draw-- I liked it better 
than the parallel-to-top-tube bar of the Bombadil.

The diagatube reminds me of the original Joe Breeze mountain bike frame: 
https://mmbhof.org/portfolio/first-fat-tire-bike-with-a-new-frame-and-all-new-parts/

Additional tubes have been around for a long time in bicycle history, some 
for functional reasons and others for style. (E.g., google cargo bikes)

shoji
arlington ma



On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:49:05 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I've also thought the diagonal tube to look odd except on the very largest 
> of frames for the very largest of riders.  They seem reminiscent of the 
> original Santana Sovereign tandems, where they seemed to make some sense.  
> I remember Santana claiming the "marathon" style to be the stiffest 
> configuration for a tandem per all sorts of tests they performed.  Later, 
> it seems everyone, including Santana, shifted to a diagonal tube running to 
> the rear bottom bracket and, nowadays, most tandems have dispensed with the 
> diagonal tube.  It all leaves me wondering...
>
> In a quick search for some history on the "marathon" style I found this on 
> the Rodriguez site: "so this design kind of went the way of the Ford Edsel 
> in our shop."  I couldn't quickly find the origins of the style but it 
> seems the tandem industry abandoned the design long before Rivendell 
> applied it to singles.  It has always been a bit of a curiosity to me as, 
> even for a tandem, it is considered over-built these days.
>
> [image: loaded santana.jpg]
> 1980 Santana Sovereign.  I remember crossing paths with a couple 
> honeymooning on their Rodriguez tandem.  I can't remember if it was a 
> marathon.  I am now noticing that the additional Rivendell stays extend to 
> the rear dropouts rather than to the seat stays' mid section.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:46:22 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>
>> The Bombadil(60 cm w/700c wheels, parallel TT) is the only frame I really 
>> much paid attention to and bought, albeit from a list member in 2011. I'm 
>> pretty sure they were all customer choice paint jobs, save and specials, 
>> returns, cancels and such.
>>
>> I recall also that the Bomba tubes were heat treated, not sure about the 
>> Hunq but I'd be surprised if they were. Only GP knows what tubes cost what. 
>> Plus the fancy lugs. I have no idea about the Hunqa frames lugs but the 
>> Bombas sure are fancy, if that's you're thing. I don't ride a Riv for the 
>> rep/status or the paint jobs or even the looks, I have two because they fit 
>> me well and they're steel. I'm outside the bounds of most every stock Riv 
>> bike and yet those two worked(Susie is the other). That's about it. I'm all 
>> for Practicability. 
>>
>> While the Hunqapillar was touted as a Bomba replacement, it was only that 
>> in category as the frame itself was totally different in dimensions and 
>> sizes, not to mention the diagonal tube which still looks odd to me. 
>>
>

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