I agree that rules of thumb are only starting points. The heel-on-pedal at
max leg extension puts my saddle a good 3 cm too low as I like a lot of leg
extension and tend to pedal toe-down. But it's a good starting point.

And get your saddle set back to where it is comfortable before doing
anything else; IMO and IME, saddle height and setback are the 2 primary
adjustments around which all others are determined.

But heck, if you've been comfortable with your previous "4-inches-too-low"
and slammed back saddle -- no hip-rockin', no aching quads, no strained
whatever it is along the inside of the thigh, you have been doing it right.

But I disagree that standover is a negligible part of fit; try an emergency
dismount on a steep slope facing uphill.

On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:49 AM Jay Lonner <jay.lon...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just took delivery of a new (non-Riv) bike and am dialing in the fit.
> I’m a little worried that the frame is too big for me, since I only have
> maybe 2” standover, which seems tight for a gravel bike.
>
> So I went out and measured the saddle height on my Hunq (which is a size
> 62). It came in at about 75cm. This gives me a solid fistful of seatpost.
> Then I remeasured my PBH, which is 93-94 cm depending on hard I pull. For
> reference, here’s the relevant page from HQ:
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh
>
> This suggests that based on my  PBH my saddle height should be closer to
> 83 cm – an 8cm discrepancy. Before riding in this morning I raised my
> saddle height to 79 cm, basically splitting the difference. It felt weird,
> which of course it would after so many years at 75cm. But I made it in and
> my feet were in full contact with the pedals without any tippytoe
> maneuvers. So I guess I’ve been doing it wrong this whole time? Kind of
> embarrassing. Even so, according to the Riv method my saddle height is
> still ~4cm lower than my PBH would suggest.
>
> So I guess I’m wondering about alternative ways of determining saddle
> height somewhat objectively, and/or whether I should now be looking at
> other variables such as a fore-aft saddle positioning, saddle angle, and
> even saddle type (currently a B68, slammed back as far as it can go on a
> S83, with the nose pitched up ~10 degrees or so). Other relevant factors
> might be crank arm length (175mm), pedal height (Pedaling Innovations
> platform pedals), and shoes (Chuck Taylors, typically). Looking for the
> optimum balance of comfort, efficiency, and protecting my perineum.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
>
>
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